KCLUG September 2004

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[OT] [politics] Rumsfeld's amazing twist of irony
by Jason Clinton 22 Sep '04

22 Sep '04

Secretary Rumsfeld's Speech at the National Press Club, Friday http://www.dod.mil/transcripts/2004/tr20040910-secdef1286.html Search for the word "Saddam" in Rumsfeld's speech. In an amazing twist of irony, while addressing the nation's journalists on Friday, there are two points at which Rumsfeld confuses Saddam Hussein with Osama bin Laden one of which a member of the audience has to point out. Anyone remember these poll results? http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A32862-2003Sep5

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Re: Anyone seen the new Sun FileSystem
by Brian Kelsay 21 Sep '04

21 Sep '04

With my quantum discombobulator all things will become possible. Using my Heisenberg Compensator I will be able to store anything anywhere. Coming soon to a filesystem near you 1024-bit and after that, 64823408-bit. The scaling is amazing. And my new filesystem, 42FS, will move at incredible speed. I will use a technique I learned in Boy Scouts to fold space using a paperclip and a ball of twine and then pass the requested file information through the folded space to the quantum API. The information will move so fast at times, it will arrive before you ask for it. That's where the quantum discombobulator comes into play. I will actually have to slow some data down. Be careful if you use MS SQL Server, it will assume it has the right to take control of all memory space, have full access to all system resources and attempt mind control, even if you are only using it to store addresses and/or recipes. Next stop, storing your personal data files in the spaces within your DNA. Talk about portability. It may make your back hurt and you could grow a third arm, but who hasn't thought that would be handy sometime? ------ There is a time for peace and talk and reason; and then, at long last, and only with sadness of heart and mournful admission that all your wisdom and words have failed, you must go kill you some motherf*ckers and set some of their sh*t on fire. Brian Kelsay Brian Kelsay Brian Kelsay >>> Oren Beck <oren_beck@hotmail> 09/21/04 10:20AM >>> Interesting possibilities- if physical and logical locations need not coincide for pool elements then some implications for scaling arise . I am not a filesystem guru by any stretch however to a reasonably versed layman this seems to have potential . Question is will it be OS or ? Last take is that the line closing the piece where engineer Jeff Bonwick makes an IMHO dangerous statement . Logically, the next question is if ZFS' 128 bits is enough. According to Bonwick, it has to be. "Populating 128-bit file systems would exceed the quantum limits of earth-based storage. You couldn't fill a 128-bit storage pool without boiling the oceans." Any takers for a bet that Jeff Bonwick's assessment soon joins that of Wm Gates - "640 k is enough ." >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which he never actually said. See here: http://techrepublic.com.com/5208-6230-0.html?forumID=9&threadID=150999&star… and Here: http://tinyurl.com/2zhpr >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oren Beck www.campdownunderthecovers.com " FileSize DOES matter "

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Anyone seen the new Sun FileSystem
by hanasaki 21 Sep '04

21 Sep '04

http://www.sun.com/2004-0914/feature/ Any thoughts?

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RE: New to the but not linux
by Brian Densmore 21 Sep '04

21 Sep '04

Two things I would like to add. You might consider making the next filesystem ext3 rather than ext2. Ext3 can usually deal with system crashes *****much***** better than plain vanilla ext2. you can even convert ext2 filesystems to ext3 without any data loss, provided of course you do it *before* the filesystem becomes corrupted. There are FOSS utilities that may be able to pull the data off of your drive even in the state it is in. The down side is you would have to pretty much pick through the resulting data manually as the filenames will be something totally meaningless. I did this with a system of mine that was cracked and traced the activities of the cracker and recovered some files he created and some of my own files. It's a lot of work and it takes hours for the utility to recover the data and of course you need a spare harddrive. Brian > -----Original Message----- > From: docv > > No, would not be worth it. Mainly just my personal stuff that can be > replaced, although it will be time consuming. Only had a few dir's of > business stuff that I'll need to re-create and some backup dir's. > > lowell wrote: > > Is it worth the cost a data recovery company would charge > you; they can do > > just about anything, I've heard... > > >

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RE: Help!!! my box has had a stroke
by Brian Densmore 21 Sep '04

21 Sep '04

> -----Original Message----- > From: Gary Hildebrand > > FYI system here is SuSE 7.2 and I have the CD's. I'm wondering if I > could configure the Ethernet card and simply transfer files that way, > burn CD's and then go on from there??? It took a power bump just one > too many times and fsck just ate up the inodes. I am concerned by your statement about your inodes getting eaten up. If the files you need are still intact with the inodes you should be able to copy them over to: another machine using something like scp or sftp (you will need to start a ssh daemon to do this), or to another drive by hooking it up to your machine as a slave drive, or make CDs if you have a CDR drive in there or can add a CDR drive. you can make CDs from any terminal (aka CLI). I could walk you through any of these procedures if you need and give me enough information. Brian

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Downloading Mac Stuff in Linux?
by webgiant＠juno.com 20 Sep '04

20 Sep '04

I'd like to be downloading some legacy Mac software (pre-OS 8.6) for my brother-in-law's older PowerMac. The problem is that the applications are only available through bittorrent (the author doesn't have much bandwidth), and there are no pre-OS 8.6 BitTorrent clients to download it on his PowerMac or my equally old PowerMac (OS 8.1). Every time I've copied a Mac file onto a PC floppy, there's extra files which aren't mentioned in the Mac directory listing. If I just get the torrent file and start downloading, will the torrent file create the extra files, or will the resulting file be unreadable by Macs? ________________________________________________________________ Get your name as your email address. Includes spam protection, 1GB storage, no ads and more Only $1.99/ month - visit http://www.mysite.com/name today!

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LARGE scale email
by Phoenician 20 Sep '04

20 Sep '04

Just out of curiosity, what would people recommend for large scale email? (what distro and application) I'm not wanting to start a flame war, just get opinions from people in that have had more experience than I have in large scale email. That said, here are the factors for consideration: 1) I am migrating email from a Win32 environment to a *nix based environment. :) I am working with people that I have to remind that Linux is not a singular all-encompassing distro (ie: that Linux does means Linux but rather SuSe, Redhat, Mandrake etc..) 2) It must be ultra-secure. 3) Large scale means over 1,500 mail boxes and approx 350 to 400 domains. Thanks, Michienne.

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RE: LARGE scale email
by Garrett Goebel 20 Sep '04

20 Sep '04

Phoenician wrote: > > Just out of curiosity, what would people recommend for large > scale email? (what distro and application) 1,500 mailboxes, 350-400 domains. Okay, but can you be more specific on "large scale"? How many emails sent/received per day? How many MB? How much storage capacity per mailbox? What distro's are you familiar with? What Mail Transfer Agents (MTA's) are you familiar with? Postfix? qmail? Sendmail? What Win32 MTA are you transferring from? Exchange? Do you have calendaring concerns which need to be addressed? Mailing lists? What DNS servers are you familiar with? Bind? djbdns? What do you currently use to filter spam? There are a couple people on the list with significant experience managing large scale email concerns. I'm not one of them ;) But that doesn't stop most people from venturing their opinion... (at least I've qualified mine). I'd say use look for the "hardened" version of whatever distributions you are most familiar with. Failing that, take a gander at http://www.bastille-linux.org/. Read the hardening documentation twice. When you decide to stray from the documentation, slap yourself with a clue-by-four. Then subscribe to a mailing list or visit a forum specifically targeted for your hardened distro, read their faq, and ask for advice there. On MTA's PostFix and qmail are both have a reputation for security. PostFix has a more active community. qmail is stuck in a minix like situation, where lots of people like and use it, but the author is so busy grinding his own personal copyright/licensing vendetta, that it's difficult for the community to support the code. Mailman seems to be the best supported mailing list manager... Evolution can handle calendaring. If I read right, it doesn't require a dedicated server like Exchange does. SuSE was working on an Exchange replacement as well. Perhaps someone else will have suggestions? djbdns is a nice small secure dns server. Same licensing issue as qmail. Other people may have other suggestions... Hopefully, someone will chime in with a list of spam filtering techniques. Automatic whitelisting of email recipients combined with baysian filters seems to go a long way toward cutting out spam. I'll leave suggestions of actual applications to others. -- Garrett Goebel IS Development Specialist ScriptPro Direct: 913.403.5261 5828 Reeds Road Main: 913.384.1008 Mission, KS 66202 Fax: 913.384.2180 www.scriptpro.com garrett at scriptpro dot com

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New USB standard threatens Linux
by Jonathan Hutchins 20 Sep '04

20 Sep '04

Cringeley says that the new Windows standard for USB devices specificly excludes Linux: http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20040916.html

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Re: Help!!! my box has had a stroke
by kulua＠linux2themax.com 20 Sep '04

20 Sep '04

Gary Hildebrand <ghldbrd(a)ccp.com> wrote .. > Fortunately it still works for e-mail, but I have a fair amount of > critical files, and I can't use Konquerer to shuffle them off to disk. > > Shy of kissing everything goodbye and re-installing -- is there anyone > who could help me either re-install KDE or extract the files to a CD or > two, so I can continue? It would be easier if I could bring things in; > my house is crammed and I can barely navigate as it is. > > FYI system here is SuSE 7.2 and I have the CD's. I'm wondering if I > could configure the ethernet card and simply transfer files that way, > burn CD's and then go on from there??? It took a power bump just one > too many times and fsck just ate up the inodes. > > Gary Hildebrand > St. Joseph if you have a spare drive arounnd that has a fair ammount of capacity you could just tar -cpsvj /mnt/hda[X] > /mnt/hdb[X]/badpart.tbz in to a realy big tbz file probably from some bootable livecd or suse disks that would require mounting im assuming /dev/hda1[or where your linux partitonis] to either another disk or partitio that has plenty of space. you can also be more specific if you know exactly what you want/neeed from it. ie /etc /var/www /home /.... and just tbz those up real quick. I have had excelent luck with just archiving the whole thing though. I evin back up my windows boxes that way. i have quite a fiew 4 gig tbz's around for that reason. also Mc has some good features for that as well if I recall archiving is a newer addition to it.

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