KCLUG April 2006

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Photoshop in Linux ... almost
by Jack 11 Apr '06

11 Apr '06

Some maybe good news for Photoshopaholics. http://www.gimp.org/~tml/gimp/win32/pspi.html Gimp plugin that runs Photoshop plugins, kind of like double penetration ... I guess. It might actually be nice to do this; then maybe I could finally learn how to use GIMP by buying one of those plethora of Photoshop howto books. I'm still fighting with getting GIMP to fix the Redeye in some photos ... any photo ... I'm not picky ... well yes I am, but not in this case.

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things for sale at tomorrow's UMKC surplus auction
by David Nicol 10 Apr '06

10 Apr '06

Aside from the normal palettes piled high with CRT monitors and mysterious beige boxes, there are a couple dozen 866Mhz/512M Dell beige box systems with keyboards, montors and speakers; four flat-screen monitors (the most attractive thing there IMO), a small fridge, a comfy chair, lots of non-comfy chairs, two large but filthy aquaria, several PC systems that may be better than 866/512. They have also either rekeyed the whole damn campus or just cleaned out the locksmith shop, as there are vast quantities of doorknobs and locks. And televisions, and boxes of keyboards, and printers, and scanners, and copiers, and a big box of miscellaneous little things such as an external Jaz drive and PC cameras and cables and power strips. Bidding starts at 9:00 AM. http://fusion1.umkc.edu/Newsletter/UMKC_Announcements.cfm?NewsID=2319 is an announcement for last quarter's auction i think but the directions are valid. -- David L Nicol Should the bike shed have bunks? Or maybe cots?

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RE: Ubuntu and Kubuntu vs. Mepis.... Gentoo?
by Jeremy Fowler 10 Apr '06

10 Apr '06

Why has Gentoo fallen out of favor? Doesn't anyone use Gentoo anymore besides me? Gentoo's portage and emerge utility rivals that of Debian's app-get. 2006.0 LiveCD even has a graphical installer available, though any true Linux user should be ashamed of using such a thing. ;-) I find building and compiling a fresh Gentoo installation very satisfying. I would have thought there would be more people like me on the KLUG list...

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RE: Update on Ubuntu and my Church Laptop
by Jon Moss 07 Apr '06

07 Apr '06

I ran the easyubuntu script. However, I still can't play WMV and ASF files. Should I try running the script again? > > You should be able to get the windows codec package and be able to play > those with either mplayer or VLC (Videolan.org). For Debian-based > systems I've used a foreign repo called marillat or something close to > that, but since you are using Ubuntu, looks like you should be able to > get this via universe or multiverse repository. Look into that easy > Ubuntu install link that was sent in the original Ubuntu thread. > > I tried yesterday to download the DVD.iso of Kubuntu and I got a 550 > error, unable to change directory. I'm getting it now from the European > mirror. > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: On Behalf Of Jon Moss >>Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 6:10 AM > >><Snip> >> >>I've been able to play DVDs, CDs, PowerPoints (via Impress of >>course) and some web media (but not WMVs or ASFs). Since we >>don't have Internet access at the church, I'm not too worried >>about the latter. >> >>The DVD playback is a little choppy so I need to investigate >>how much RAM was "donated" with the laptop. And that may not >>make a difference . . . >>may just be the age of the laptop or the norm for Totem Movie player. >> >><Snip> > >>Later, >> >>Jon Moss >> > _______________________________________________ > Kclug mailing list > Kclug(a)kclug.org > http://kclug.org/mailman/listinfo/kclug > -- Thanks very much, Jon Moss jon.moss(a)cnonline.net

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RE: Microsoft and Malware
by Kelsay, Brian - Kansas City, MO 06 Apr '06

06 Apr '06

I bet MS is going to try their hand at beating Ghost or other imaging software next. Look at the first 2 paragraphs. That and antivirus. Look out Symantec >-----Original Message----- >From: On Behalf Of Leo Mauler >Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 4:25 PM > >Saw this article through a /. link. Seems Microsoft feels >that people should adopt another operating system, such as >Linux, which rarely has trouble with malware. > >I mean, "Microsoft Says Recovery from Malware Becoming >Impossible [with the Windows OS]". > >http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1945808,00.asp >

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Ubuntu and Kubuntu vs. Mepis
by Justin Dugger 06 Apr '06

06 Apr '06

I'm currently running Ubuntu Breezy. It's fantastically simple to set up a desktop environment with, because they simply defined a virtual package "ubuntu-desktop" that pulls in a fair amount of tools you'd want. Of all the Debian based distros, I think this is one most likely to succeed in the long term, except perhaps Debian itself. Theres a repo in Ubuntu called universe that you might be interested in. Universe is a repo for porting debian unstable packages by people other than ubuntu developers. There's a group called Masters of the Universe that manage it and keep it semi working. Its possible that you'll still run into apt-pin situations should you decide that the MotU is too slow, but I havent had the need to try to run around universe yet. And since I you've asked about them, I'll also explain that multiverse is the set of packages typically found in debian's non-free, plus some they won't even distribute in there. Basically universe is the extras that nobody from ubuntu spent time porting and bringing into official "our support contracts require this be in main" repo. I don't believe security-updates affects main, although usually the motu try to keep on top of that. And multiverse is the closed source stuff like mplayer and acroreader etc that's useful but may not be legal or encouraged. Ive gone through two upgrades of Ubuntu thus far, with minimal troubles. Yes, there was a root password leak that wasn't caught until lately. However, it didnt affect me because the problem was in one of the newer installers. I'd suggest waiting perhaps a day or a week before upgrading. That way the traffic on the mirrors dies down, and the "oh shit" bugs are found. I'm told newer versions of Ubuntu are going to include an improved synaptic with an "upgrade distro" button, so you can move from Breezy to Dapper, or Dapper to Dapper+1. After the Sarge debacle, Ubuntu did a bang up job of pressuring Debian to make strides of improvement. Debian's always prided itself on being a jack of all trades and flexible -- Ubuntu stole a collection of Debian Developers and demonstrated that focusing on a single area (PC desktops) is just as valid and valuable. Justin Dugger On 4/3/06, Kelsay, Brian - Kansas City, MO <brian.kelsay(a)kcc.usda.gov> wrote: > Who in our group is actually using these distros? I'm interested in > the ease of updating and stability after doing so compared to Mepis, HDD > installed Knoppix and regular Debian or any other Debian-based distro. > > I've tried tons of LiveCDs, used Mepis quite a bit and never had success > with plain old Debian installing as a desktop. I like Mepis out of the > box, though like any distro you find little bits that don't work or you > don't like. Mepis is switching to the Ubuntu repositories with the next > release, in order to get more stable updates. > > The point of this is, I still consider myself a Mepis user, but I'm > concerned about the quality of the Ubuntu repos if I stick with it. > Also, if I were to switch to Kubuntu, will I run into apt-pin problems > when I try to add software not included on the distro disks? That has > been a problem on Mepis with the Debian unstable repos. I tried the > 64-bit Kubuntu last week and it looks great on my newish desktop PC, but > I also wonder how it will do on a PIII-500 with lots of ram. An older > Mepis was OK on it after I turned off the flashing and bouncing > mouse-busy cursors. Haven't had the guts to try a newer Mepis or > anything else on that PC. I need a Linux with the games working for my > kids when they are over. > _______________________________________________ > Kclug mailing list > Kclug(a)kclug.org > http://kclug.org/mailman/listinfo/kclug >

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[Fwd: [Musical Progress]Live Webcast from Toto's on April 8]
by Jim Herrmann 06 Apr '06

06 Apr '06

I thought you Linux geeks might be interested in this webcast that KCLUG member Michael Morgan will be doing of my show (and my son Tommy) on April 8 from Toto's Coffeehouse. A huge thanks to my friend Michael for handling this webcast. Thanks very much Michael! Thanks also go out to Cymor a.k.a. Chris for hosting the feed. Thanks guys. This should be fun! BTW, some of my music is available under a Creative Commons license at my website listed below. Enjoy! Peace, Jim Herrmann -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [Musical Progress]Live Webcast from Toto's on April 8 Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 00:53:21 -0500 From: jim(a)musicalprogress.org To: jim(a)musicalprogress.org We are going to be doing a live audio webcast from Toto's Coffeehouse on April 8. You'll be able to listen in at one of these two web addresses starting at 7:00 p.m. on Saturday April 8, 2006. http://www.cymor.com:8000/live http://www.cymor.com:8000/live.m3u The plan is to have video available for download sometime after the show. When that is available, I will post a link here. So, if you can't make it out to the show, you can listen in from your computer, any where in the world. If you can make it to the show, please come and be a part of the live audience for this broadcast. The above message can be found here: http://jim.musicalprogress.org/Webcast04082006 You'll see it if you just go to the front page: http://jim.musicalprogress.org Peace, Jim

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RE: Timing Geek alert
by Kelsay, Brian - Kansas City, MO 05 Apr '06

05 Apr '06

>From my brother the math teacher: Actually it has already happened 2000 years ago in the year 6 AD. It is now 2006 so it does not quite work out. 01:02:03 04/05/06 should be 01:02:03 04/05/2006. This is the state of our mathematics. Groan, Phil Kelsay Mathematics Teacher ________________________________ From: On Behalf Of Arthur Pemberton Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 7:04 PM I don't get it? Am I not geek enough? On 4/4/06, David Nicol wrote: forwarded message: For those of you who like to have your time lined up like ducks in a row: Wednesday at two minutes and three seconds after 1:00AM, the time and date will be 01:02:03 04/05/06 Bill Jaeck -- David L Nicol

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Microsoft and Malware
by Leo Mauler 05 Apr '06

05 Apr '06

Saw this article through a /. link. Seems Microsoft feels that people should adopt another operating system, such as Linux, which rarely has trouble with malware. I mean, "Microsoft Says Recovery from Malware Becoming Impossible [with the Windows OS]". http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1945808,00.asp __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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RE: Update on Ubuntu and my Church Laptop
by Kelsay, Brian - Kansas City, MO 05 Apr '06

05 Apr '06

OK, no. You need to look on the Ubuntu forums about the media or multimedia support or wmv support or MS codec support. You will likely need to make an addition to your /etc/apt/sources.list, which is a text file that holds the list of repositories that your PC uses. You will have to make an entry for some location that has the codecs you need. http://www.google.com/search?q=ubuntu+forum+wmv+support&start=0&ie=utf-8 &oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official Yields: http://linuxhelp.blogspot.com/2005/12/essential-house-keeping-in-ubuntu. html Read the comments also. >-----Original Message----- >From: Jon Moss >Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 10:45 AM >To: Kelsay, Brian - Kansas City, MO >Cc: kclug >Subject: RE: Update on Ubuntu and my Church Laptop > >I ran the easyubuntu script. However, I still can't play WMV >and ASF files. Should I try running the script again? > >> >> You should be able to get the windows codec package and be able to >> play those with either mplayer or VLC (Videolan.org). For >> Debian-based systems I've used a foreign repo called marillat or >> something close to that, but since you are using Ubuntu, looks like >> you should be able to get this via universe or multiverse >repository. >> Look into that easy Ubuntu install link that was sent in the >original Ubuntu thread. >> >> I tried yesterday to download the DVD.iso of Kubuntu and I got a 550 >> error, unable to change directory. I'm getting it now from the >> European mirror. >> >> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: On Behalf Of Jon Moss >>>Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 6:10 AM >> >>><Snip> >>> >>>I've been able to play DVDs, CDs, PowerPoints (via Impress of >>>course) and some web media (but not WMVs or ASFs). Since we don't >>>have Internet access at the church, I'm not too worried about the >>>latter. >>> >>>The DVD playback is a little choppy so I need to investigate >how much >>>RAM was "donated" with the laptop. And that may not make a >difference >>>. . . >>>may just be the age of the laptop or the norm for Totem Movie player. >>> >>><Snip> >> >>>Later, >>> >>>Jon Moss >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Kclug mailing list >> Kclug(a)kclug.org >> http://kclug.org/mailman/listinfo/kclug >> > > >-- >Thanks very much, > >Jon Moss >jon.moss(a)cnonline.net > > >

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KCLUG April 2006