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A painful segue to Neuros Technologies and the Unlocked Media logo
by David Nicol 22 Aug '08

22 Aug '08

On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 12:20 PM, Justin Dugger <jldugger(a)gmail.com> wrote: > David, > > I'm sure you've heard of these things we call "replies". A post is > written in response to another poster's message, providing context and > an intended audience. In such cases, "you" is directed towards the > other poster. This "you" would be Tom Bruno, a Neuros Developer and > Manager, and subscriber to KCLUG. Ah. I see a post, in opposition to a direct message, as being broadcast, and stand by my misinterpretation of Justin's "you" as directed to the list in general as reasonable. > Neuros (http://www.neurostechnology.com/) produces a number of > embedded Linux devices. Tom's even promoted a small political cause > about DRM, which benefits both Neuros and Linux in general: > http://open.neurostechnology.com/content/unlocked-media . The > question is, why has he chosen to ignore the KCLUG mailing list, > except to egg on mailing list flamewars? I disagree that "why does Tom Bruno choose to egg on flamewars" is the question; I think selecting that as the question is an example of the problem. It would be nice to see the Tom Brunos of the list give us all notice when they do, or publish, something noteworthy, yes. Such a heads-up would be signal and not noise. Even for something minor such as a well-considered blog entry. I would like to see notices of press releases on the KCLUG list and I very much doubt I represent a minority in that preference. The discussion of the very nicely done "unlocked" logo announcement includes logos Can we use the unlocked logos on our pages or store offering mp3 downloads? 21 December, 2007 - 1:02am — Joe mp3 downloads you certainly can and should, please send us a link so we can help promote!

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Linux embedded devices and us. Are any of us choosing what to buy based on "Linux inside"?
by Oren Beck 22 Aug '08

22 Aug '08

It is often a non-issue for "appliance operators" so to speak. Most of the mundanes use tech on the toaster or coin vendor interaction level. What code either box "runs on" is of zero thought as it makes zero change.Other than a quarter change for your 2 dollar bills if the pop is $1.75 My phone is M$ based. It would be VERY desirable to replace the phone's firmware etc with Linux. As then every button/Bell/blinkenlight could work to MY settings! SO- tell us of what "Linux Inside" devices are in your daily life and details count... My shortlist: Network gear. 3 computers. Cheap music player. Pending is theSlimp3 "Squeezebox" music -- Oren Beck 816.729.3645

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Reply from Congressman Emanuel Cleaver concerning Orphan Works Act of 2008
by David Nicol 22 Aug '08

22 Aug '08

I actually don't recall what position I was endorsing when I attempted to summarize our discussion of HR #5889 in an e-mail to our former mayor and fifth district rep, but here's his reply ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Congressman Emanuel Cleaver Date: Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 10:44 AM Subject: Reply from Congressman Emanuel Cleaver To: davidnicol(a)gmail.com Dear David: Thank you for contacting me about H.R. 5889, the Orphan Works Act of 2008. I appreciate hearing your thoughts about this important issue. As you may know, under current copyright law, using a copyrighted work without permission of the copyright owner can subject a user to considerable civil liability. Using a copyrighted work in one of the proscribed ways requires permission from the copyright owner and sometimes payment for the use. But if the copyright owner cannot be found, the work typically lies unused out of concern for the penalties that could be imposed if the copyright owner surfaced after use has begun. Consequently, large amounts of copyrighted works - written texts, photographs, sound recordings, video tracts, and much more - are held in libraries, museums, archives and elsewhere, unused and largely inaccessible to the public. The Orphan Works Act of 2008 would limit the remedies in a civil action on copyright infringement of a work whose creator cannot be identified or located. These orphan works are defined as any copyrighted work whose creator cannot be found after a reasonably diligent search. H.R. 5889 would establish a publicly available electronic database of all protected pictorial, graphic, and sculptural works. Although I believe the public could benefit from access to more works, we should not sacrifice the fundamental right of an artist to his or her work. Currently, H.R. 5889 is pending consideration in the House Committee on the Judiciary. If this bill should come to the floor for a vote, I will be sure to keep your thoughts in mind. Again, thank you for sharing your views with me. Please do not hesitate to contact me in the future if I may be of further assistance. Also, I encourage you to visit my website at http://www.house.gov/cleaver, where you can sign up for my electronic newsletter and receive updates on my latest activities as your Representative. Sincerely Emanuel Cleaver, II Member of Congress

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XKCD
by Billy Crook 22 Aug '08

22 Aug '08

Randal Munroe's XKCD very frequently *IS* on the topic of GNU/Linux: http://xkcd.com/306/ http://xkcd.com/149/ http://xkcd.com/424/ Subscribe at http://xkcd.com/rss.xml On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 03:14, Leo Mauler <webgiant(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > A Cartoon Explaining The KCLUG "Loss Of Sanity" > > http://xkcd.com/386/ > > Just read the cartoon. All will be explained. ;-) > > P.S. If you had never heard of XKCD before, the cartoon should have honorary KCLUG "On Topic" status.

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Re: Religious bigotry is surely not approriate on this list.
by lowell＠kc.rr.com 21 Aug '08

21 Aug '08

Amen to that...:-) ---- Adrian Griffis <adriang63(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 7:50 PM, Luke -Jr <luke(a)dashjr.org> wrote: > > Morality is part of Christianity. False religions generally always have a > > false, corrupted version of "morality". Governments have no authority except > > through Christianity. Nothing predates the Truth, which is today known as > > Christianity. > > Luke, I think there are quite a number of us who would appreciate it > if you would stop spamming the list with your religious bigotry. > Surely even you must have understood the implications of your remark > before you made it, and going ahead and making it anyway was a lapse > in judgement that I hope not to see you repeat. > > Adrian > _______________________________________________ > Kclug mailing list > Kclug(a)kclug.org > http://kclug.org/mailman/listinfo/kclug

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Religious bigotry is surely not approriate on this list.
by Adrian Griffis 21 Aug '08

21 Aug '08

On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 7:50 PM, Luke -Jr <luke(a)dashjr.org> wrote: > Morality is part of Christianity. False religions generally always have a > false, corrupted version of "morality". Governments have no authority except > through Christianity. Nothing predates the Truth, which is today known as > Christianity. Luke, I think there are quite a number of us who would appreciate it if you would stop spamming the list with your religious bigotry. Surely even you must have understood the implications of your remark before you made it, and going ahead and making it anyway was a lapse in judgement that I hope not to see you repeat. Adrian

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idea: a managed linux distribution, for weak users
by Kelsay, Brian - Kansas City, MO 20 Aug '08

20 Aug '08

They pay me to take control of the machines of stupid people all day long. It's called the helpdesk. What a concept. Some people can't be bothered to remember how to do anything on their computer. I also have relative strangers that are referred to me by acquaintances, that ask me to fix their computer. I frequently take said strangers PC or HDD to my home for sometimes several weeks until I get time to work on it. During this time, those people know I have complete access to it, but are so happy when I return it fixed that they pay me. Brian Kelsay -----Original Message----- From: Christofer C. Bell Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 3:20 PM On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 2:59 PM, Nathan Cerny <ncerny(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Actually, there's companies that do similar today. You're just calling it > stupid because you are smart enough to control your own computer. I'm calling it stupid because it is stupid. > You would have to price it appropriately, but I think there's a market for > remote administration. We do it for other companies - you're just talking > about expanding it into the private sector. You would have to figure out > how to handle hardware problems and SLAs though...as well as internet access > requirements. And making it simple enough for the average lay user to > understand. There is no "making it simple enough for the average lay user to understand." You are saying, "give me money to take control of your computer away from you." RIAA and Microsoft are already feeling backlash for something *far less sinister* (DRM music) than handing over your entire computer to someone else -- and *paying* for the privilege. This idea is unworkable, this idea is not well thought out, this idea does not take this cool thing called "real people" into account. It's a bad idea. -- Chris

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A sincere request- for sanity.
by Oren Beck 19 Aug '08

19 Aug '08

This list has some history. And if it continues on the present course it will be a history with no future. We all have some very valuable to a Linux list questions and answers. On Linux related matters. This is my quite on topic as it goes to operations of the list polite statement.' IF you agree- keep posting your valuable to Linux matters best. If you do not agree. go into your bathroom- close the door- and scream defiance at the mirror.Where you will see a person. a person who seems to think the concept Linux USER'S Group means forum for other things -- Oren Beck 816.729.3645

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Re: Reply from Congressman Emanuel Cleaver concerning OrphanWorksActof 2008
by Jon Pruente 19 Aug '08

19 Aug '08

On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 8:45 AM, lowell <lowell(a)kc.rr.com> wrote: > Could we see some of these facts and their sources, instead of saying "I > know the facts and you don't!" without proving it? Ten myths of the Bush tax cuts - http://www.heritage.org/research/taxes/bg2001.cfm Summary of 2006 tax data - http://www.taxfoundation.org/news/show/250.html When I go back to look, my numbers may be a bit off, but my points still stand. > administration genuflected to their holy-of-holies (free market laissez > faire no matter what the current reality may be) and dramatically cut the > tax *rates* of the upper bracket incomes (the ONLY ones who pay taxes, if I > understand you correctly) knowing this would drastically reduce tax > *revenue*. The motive driving this on-the-face-of-it foolish action had Nope, I never said the tax cuts were for the rich only. The lower brackets accounted for quite a lot of the tax relief from the Bush tax cuts, even if the Democrats want to play like it isn't true. > voters agree with this, we'll rig it this way: eliminate its sources of > revenue (EVERYONE will vote to cut his own taxes, no matter what), keep > spending like there's no tomorrow (EVERYONE likes it when congressman Billie > Bob brings in the big bucks to his district), and force it to collapse under > its own beyond-payable debt. Thus far they appear to be doing a pretty good > job of following this strategy. Cutting taxes that are too high will encourage people to engage in those even more once the tax burden is lowered. There is a point of diminishing returns for cutting taxes, but there is also a point on the side of increasing taxes. Increasing taxes works in the short term until people move their investments away from those taxed situations and into less burdensome ones. You agree with me and Jeremy that massive spending is a problem. That's good. I'd also like to point out that I liked reading the clear and reasoned posts by Matthew Coppel. I don't agree with all he had to say, but he said it well, and clearly, and didn't attack anyone in doing so. Jon. P.S. I'm still waiting on Jeffery to send up some data or links for his position. If he doesn't, he gets written off as a Kool-Aide toe-er of the line in my book. That's not particularly bad, though. It gives me a point of reference, like it has for Luke, who (no offense) has made it clear that he's an avowed Catholic. I know to think about that when I read his replies on certain issues.

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Portable desktop/applications for Linux. We have some wintools but with issues
by Oren Beck 19 Aug '08

19 Aug '08

Many people I know are constant users of the portableapps suite. As it makes life easier in several ways. http://portableapps.com/ Is the tool in question. Has anyone on list ever used the portableapps suite at all-and if so did you get it to work in a Linux environment? Or do you know of a Linux tool of similar functionality? I had thought of using a USB HD resident distro in QEMU mode, began research on "how-to's" and found issues mitigating the full urility.Such as - QEMU mode distros to my research depend on unfree code in a windows environment at present. Is my understanding correct? And public kiosk mode sites like the Kc Library might not let me load QEMU at all. So it went back to portableapps. As It just works on most windows boxes . And does so tracelessly upon unmount. *NOT* for bad things like abuses,, but for good ones such as not risking data leaks. The initial searching I did found : http://www.linuxfortravelers.com/running-portable-apps-on-linux Which is a very nice Yes, it can be done. The looking further to get a "how-to" found me another angle on the concept/s: http://openlina.com/ If any KCLUG folks as want to- test these and comment. Even if it's only a roll call of if we tried and thought it was.... reports. THAT would be all of us using and commenting on real Linux uses. And attempting to draw in related projects from the not fully free world so thy might become more free and open. I have a thought on interlacing some of this that depends on cross platform coding. I am unsure of the best choices to make it simple. Check out the sites I listed- they might be of interest. -- Oren Beck 816.729.3645

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