thanks for reminding us all that we
are not lawyers! this is a place for free expression and if anyone
reading the copyright responses thought otherwise and thereafter used the
information to proceed forward in their online posting management of his/her
site without consulting with a REAL lawyer, then that is because of his/her
own stupidity.
this group can get real annoying sometimes
with all of the know-it-all ego personalities. so, chill out!
later taters!
James Riley
Ok, guys, throwing case citations around is not lawyering,
and has nothing to
do with rendering a legal opinion such as whether you might be liable for
something. All you've done is prove that none of you are lawyers.
The law is a living, evolving thing. Properly done, an argument such
as this
one would consist of a series of citations illustrating various conclusions.
A well made argument would include citations which appeared to find against
the point, with explanation of how they fail to be conclusive.
The law regarding copyright material posted on BBSs, when shutch dial-up
beasts were common, evolved from ignorance and obscurity to lawsuit
happiness, to reasonable and civil regulation. (Sound familiar?)
Initially, there were rogue findings against the operators, but it was
eventually established, in large part through suits against AOL, that the
Operators were not labile, provided they a) took reasonable precautions
such
as requiring a click-through notice not to post, b) removed offending
material when notified, and usually c) provided information assisting the
persecution - er, prosecution - of the actual "offender", the
person who
posted the material.
Post internet cases have generally supported this trend, although things
are
still falling out. The carrier or host is not generally liable, especially
if he co-operates with the prosecution of the original poster.
There is an even older body of law that has yet to really be applied to
digital work, which distinguishes between the imaginary harm of a "lost
sale"
caused by a copy being provided for free, and a competitive sale made by
someone of a copy obtained through means outside the normal distribution
channels. The latter is the only ligitimate instance where real damage
can
be claimed, except in extremely unusual circumstances. Unfortunately,
a lot
of people are going to either settle out of court or loose before the courts
recall this basic principle.
As a former BBS operator who's done this, I suggest that you do the following
if you're concerned that you may be placed in danger of being accused of
harboring pirated property:
1) Create a policy that states a) how you will ensure that you have informed
your clients or customers that you do not allow copyright infringement,
b)
what you will do with alleged infringing material) what action you will
take
against anyone posting such material, and d) what degree of cooperation
you
will provide the claimant/prosecutors.
2) Hire/retain/PAY a real lawyer to review that policy, and to provide
you
with his written opinion of whether it's adequate. Get an actual
IP lawyer
to do this - there are several good ones in town, besides some of the biggest
names in the trade having offices here. I believe Shook, Hardy, and
Bacon do
this.
If you decide you want to make a stand for what's right, rather than just
expediently CYA, decide how you'll handle it and place the lawyer on
retainer.
One of the tricksy bits here is what standard you require for a claim of
infringement. It's safest to take things down the minute you are
informed of
a claim, but you can end up looking pretty stupid if it turns out the
materiel is being posted by the actual copyright holder.
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