I didn't realize how much of an impact that last message would have, I will take responsibility and admit there was a definite misunderstanding within the communication. I will acknowledge that until yesterday, I had been ghosting, and trying to pick up tips on the stuff I didn't know, I didn't know. With the comments sent out yesterday, I felt the attitude should have been addressed.
My first encounter with Linux was in 1997, I think it was slackware. I was on a deployment on the USS Leyte Gulf. I was toying around with a cast off laptop. My only connection with any information was this jerk that had the attitude "I better then you because I know." His attitude turned me away from Linux, and Linux Users. About six months ago a security guard I worked with told me about Linux. He allowed me to put a portion of my server/processing stuff and his Laptop for a week. P3, 800 MHz, it out performed my P4 3 GHz. I bought his desktop that had fedora 5 loaded on it and nearly killed myself out of the frustration in the first two months. When I loaded ZOG and got my web space backup, I was defiantly pleased with the results.
Since then I have met scores of Linux users who has this attitude the Linux is an elite club and membership is limited to fat greasy slobs living in the mothers basement. Ok well may that a bit of an exaggeration, but it serves the point. Until recently stumbling across the Craig’s list “Linux forum,” all my Linux contacts had been “in person”
I personally feel that Linux should be given to anybody who asks, and a definite pedagogical relationship should be started with every individual who wants to know how to use Linux. It kind of like the old proverb, “In order to think, you must realize you’re capable of doing so”
I think what you meant to say is that the TROLLS, are unworthy of attention.
Be at peace
Earle
On Tuesday 08 May 2007 06:08:21 pm Earle Beason wrote:
I didn't realize how much of an impact that last message would have,
Like a rock dropped in a cave of sleeping dragons? Hey, about time we got some life showing around here.
I could've been more clear about my concepts. Let me say in my defense that one of the reasons I chose to vent was that I spend several hours a day in IRC support channels helping people who do want to learn how to make their computer work for them. Unfortunately, this is also where I meet a few with bad attitudes who expect someone else do do the work for them.
One other thing I see is a surprising lack of initiative. People will log on to IRC and ask "what will happen if I ...". Did it occur to you to just try it and see? Today it was "If I burn a bootable CD iso to a DVD, will it still be bootable?". Is it worth the cost of a blank DVD to find out?
It does seem like there are some areas of Linux where people think that those with knowledge are superior to those without. Slackware definitely has that reputation. I've encountered developers who's attitude is "if you can't figure it out from the source code, you don't deserve to run our software". Guess what? I don't. There are also attitudes that if you aren't a c0der, you're a luser.
Some people claim that the learning curve of *nix has always been steep because those at the top consider their knowledge as a form of elitism. I admit that it is difficult to distinguish their grumbling over GUI configuration tools from my own (which is (of course) based on a desire to have people learn the command line so they understand what's going on).
That said, the members of the KCLUG mailing list have consistently been one of the best resources for learning linux and solving linux problems, as well as general technical info. They're also generally friendly and polite, although some of us do enjoy a good argument now and again.
I hope there are no ruffled feelings anywhere, it's all in the spirit of good life and communication. Oh, and welcome to the list!
On 5/8/07, Jonathan Hutchins [email protected] wrote:
I spend several hours a day in IRC support channels helping people who do want to learn how to make their
Which ones? I'm normaly over in irc://freenode/fedora, what's your handle?
On Tuesday 08 May 2007 20:05, Arthur Pemberton wrote:
On 5/8/07, Jonathan Hutchins [email protected] wrote:
I spend several hours a day in IRC support channels helping people who do want to learn how to make their
Which ones? I'm normaly over in irc://freenode/fedora, what's your handle?
Try 'jhutchins' in FreeNode's #kclug