-----Original Message----- From: Steven Hildreth

Wow am I ever sorry I brought it up. In my opinion, its now very obvious why the kclug site is static and visually archaic.

The window of opportunity I had for involvement has passed, therefore I withdrawal my contribution and respectfully decline any future

Ah, isn't it great the way we treat volunteers here? Rather than offer constructive criticism for a well designed site, such as giving examples of a better way to layout the pages, we fall into a flamewar on the evils of tables versus CSS. On top of which, the CSS approach wouldn't allow the easy creation (1-2 hours vs 1/6 hour for three column layout) of some simple design criteria and the time consuming CSS solution still wouldn't render correctly in 90% of browsers (if I'm reading the postings right).

I use tables and CSS on my site. While I can see how it might be a bit inconvenient for some readers to have the top and side menu repeated everytime a page loads before the main content, I don't see how three column CSS would alter that. With an equivalent CSS design (topbar menu and sidebar menu) you could still have the top menu and side menu before the main content - and hence still subject blind readers to have to listen to them every time. I don't see how CSS is the end-all-be-all of style. I think it's an overhyped formatting protocol being shoved down netizens'' throats all for the sacrificial offering of the web-modernization gods.

Any way this is all moot point as the original purpose of this whole thread was to help Steve refine his work and design a better and more usable website for the LUG.

Brian D.