I know a few people on the list were considering running the development version of Ubuntu to see if driver bugs were fixed. Now is a great time to grab the newly released alpha 5 and test, for both people who's hardware might be fixed and for people worried it might regress during development. Read more and get download it via:
http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/hardy/alpha5
Justin Dugger
On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 4:12 PM, Justin Dugger [email protected] wrote:
This is of course, the wrong URL and I'm a dummy.
http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/intrepid/alpha5
Justin
And on another note, I'm getting ready to burn a spindle of Linux CDs for ITEC. Should I wait until October and then burn one of the newer alpha images, or get started now on the "stable" Ubuntu 8.04 LTS image?
--- On Fri, 9/5/08, Justin Dugger [email protected] wrote:
From: Justin Dugger [email protected] Subject: Ubuntu 8.10 Alpha 5 now available To: "KCLUG" [email protected] Date: Friday, September 5, 2008, 4:12 PM I know a few people on the list were considering running the development version of Ubuntu to see if driver bugs were fixed. Now is a great time to grab the newly released alpha 5 and test, for both people who's hardware might be fixed and for people worried it might regress during development. Read more and get download it via:
http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/hardy/alpha5
Justin Dugger
On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 5:29 PM, Leo Mauler [email protected] wrote:
And on another note, I'm getting ready to burn a spindle of Linux CDs for ITEC. Should I wait until October and then burn one of the newer alpha images, or get started now on the "stable" Ubuntu 8.04 LTS image?
I say use LTS, because we're trying to get to new users. We don't want to run bleeding-edge stuff on a newbie's system. We want the LTS that has a half year of patches for whatever bugs may have slipped through when they were mastered.
I also say let's get Shipit to send us a few boxes if we can.
You're going to sit at home, and burn a complete spindle of disks all to one distro. And what if people want something other than the one image you burned. If you try to guess how many of what you'll need, there's no way you'll get it right. Maybe burn a couple of each of the top 5 distros' stable releases as a buffer, and bring a couple "Freedom Toaster"s:
http://www.freedomtoaster.org/
I don't see why you'd have to actually build a stand like on the site. Just run the software on a laptop with a burner. CD burners are FAST these days, and the few seconds someone would have to wait for a disc could be spent telling them what is actually *on* the disk, and why they shouldn't just throw it away when they get home and find out it's not a freeware or sample version of some expensive, proprietary windows program. It'd make the burning process itself a cool Linux thing to show off.
On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 17:29, Leo Mauler [email protected] wrote:
And on another note, I'm getting ready to burn a spindle of Linux CDs for ITEC. Should I wait until October and then burn one of the newer alpha images, or get started now on the "stable" Ubuntu 8.04 LTS image?
--- On Fri, 9/5/08, Justin Dugger [email protected] wrote:
From: Justin Dugger [email protected] Subject: Ubuntu 8.10 Alpha 5 now available To: "KCLUG" [email protected] Date: Friday, September 5, 2008, 4:12 PM I know a few people on the list were considering running the development version of Ubuntu to see if driver bugs were fixed. Now is a great time to grab the newly released alpha 5 and test, for both people who's hardware might be fixed and for people worried it might regress during development. Read more and get download it via:
http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/hardy/alpha5
Justin Dugger
Kclug mailing list [email protected] http://kclug.org/mailman/listinfo/kclug
On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 10:31 PM, Billy Crook [email protected] wrote:
the top 5 distros' stable releases as a buffer, and bring a couple "Freedom Toaster"s:
http://www.freedomtoaster.org/
I don't see why you'd have to actually build a stand like on the site.
I've got a phone card machine I bought for stupid cheap at Surplus Exchange that I've wanted to convert into a Freedom Toaster. I think I might make it a project to build at and install in the CCCKC Hacker Space that is being set up. Basically I'd love to make a way for people who come by the Hacker Space to be exposed to getting FOSS easily without waiting for the download at home. The Space is to have a very fat pipe for the internet trucks to drive down the information superhighway, so grabbing current and special request images should be very fast.
Jon.
--- On Fri, 9/5/08, Billy Crook [email protected] wrote:
On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 17:29, Leo Mauler [email protected] wrote:
And on another note, I'm getting ready to burn a spindle of Linux CDs for ITEC. Should I wait until October and then burn one of the newer alpha images, or get started now on the "stable" Ubuntu 8.04 LTS image?
You're going to sit at home, and burn a complete spindle of disks all to one distro. And what if people want something other than the one image you burned. If you try to guess how many of what you'll need, there's no way you'll get it right. Maybe burn a couple of each of the top 5 distros' stable releases as a buffer,
Well, I've got 50 blank CDs (right now), Ubuntu is the easiest Linux distro, and we'll be talking to a lot of people who may have heard about Linux but never used it before, and who aren't going to want to spend a lot of time uber-customizing their Linux installation.
We can tell people about all the other distros, but frankly I'm not all that keen to tell people about any distro other than Ubuntu, for the simple reason that I don't like the other distros very much. What we need in the booth is a passion for Linux, and I'm not going to be as passionate about Fedora or Gentoo as I am going to be about Ubuntu.
and bring a couple "Freedom Toaster"s:
http://www.freedomtoaster.org/
I don't see why you'd have to actually build a stand like on the site. Just run the software on a laptop with a burner. CD burners are FAST these days, and the few seconds someone would have to wait for a disc could be spent telling them what is actually *on* the disk, and why they shouldn't just throw it away when they get home and find out it's not a freeware or sample version of some expensive, proprietary windows program. It'd make the burning process itself a cool Linux thing to show off.
While I agree that burning onsite is cool, the faster you burn the more likely you will have CD errors, and slow burns mean trying to keep 50 people waiting around at our booth for 20 minutes or more each. If I burn all 50 at home I can test all 50 before coming out, and replace the few that do end up as coasters. If I burn all 50 at ITEC, we could be sending home 50 cheap *coasters* instead of 50 Linux CDs.
Now what *does* make sense is to make 50 Ubuntu 8.04 LTS discs, and then bring along a demo PC (like I always do) with a CD Burner and a hard drive containing other Linux CD ISOs, and burn the other ISOs people may want. They can grab a i386 Ubuntu Linux CD right away, or stick around to find out that there are 64bit Linux ISOs and "uber-coolness" Gentoo ISOs, and even 50MB DamnSmallLinux ISOs for any size computer. If they want a non-standard ISO, they may be willing to hang around a bit longer to get one.
(peeking out of the lurking cave)
I side with Leo on this issue...have a large stash of Ubuntu 8.04 (or 8.04.1 if it is available) to give to the folks who drop by. I'd think the majority of people coming by would be the folks who have, as noted earlier, maybe heard of Linux but never used it. They're not going to want any particular distro. They may not even know there's more than one. Chances are many of them aren't going to want ANY distro and we'll just be hoping to get them to try it out some Saturday when they have nothing else lined up. For newbies such as these, Ubuntu 8.04(.1) makes good sense because it's designed to be easy, and the LTS means it will be supported longer, plus it won't be hassling them to upgrade to 8.10 in just a few weeks.
Having a machine or two on site to burn more is also a good idea, although I'd say if it looks like the pre-burned stash is going quickly, just start burning those babies non-stop rather than waiting for someone to ask. Then hopefully you can just stay ahead of demand and there'll always be some ready to go right away.
As far as being a source of other distros, I would say just focus on Ubuntu for giving out, although it's certainly fine to describe the others. But anyone who genuinely wants one of the others probably already knows enough to get it themselves (and probably already runs it anyway).
My two cents.
Kendric Beachey
On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 5:04 AM, Leo Mauler [email protected] wrote:
--- On Fri, 9/5/08, Billy Crook [email protected] wrote:
On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 17:29, Leo Mauler [email protected] wrote:
And on another note, I'm getting ready to burn a spindle of Linux CDs for ITEC. Should I wait until October and then burn one of the newer alpha images, or get started now on the "stable" Ubuntu 8.04 LTS image?
You're going to sit at home, and burn a complete spindle of disks all to one distro. And what if people want something other than the one image you burned. If you try to guess how many of what you'll need, there's no way you'll get it right. Maybe burn a couple of each of the top 5 distros' stable releases as a buffer,
Well, I've got 50 blank CDs (right now), Ubuntu is the easiest Linux distro, and we'll be talking to a lot of people who may have heard about Linux but never used it before, and who aren't going to want to spend a lot of time uber-customizing their Linux installation.
We can tell people about all the other distros, but frankly I'm not all that keen to tell people about any distro other than Ubuntu, for the simple reason that I don't like the other distros very much. What we need in the booth is a passion for Linux, and I'm not going to be as passionate about Fedora or Gentoo as I am going to be about Ubuntu.
and bring a couple "Freedom Toaster"s:
http://www.freedomtoaster.org/
I don't see why you'd have to actually build a stand like on the site. Just run the software on a laptop with a burner. CD burners are FAST these days, and the few seconds someone would have to wait for a disc could be spent telling them what is actually *on* the disk, and why they shouldn't just throw it away when they get home and find out it's not a freeware or sample version of some expensive, proprietary windows program. It'd make the burning process itself a cool Linux thing to show off.
While I agree that burning onsite is cool, the faster you burn the more likely you will have CD errors, and slow burns mean trying to keep 50 people waiting around at our booth for 20 minutes or more each. If I burn all 50 at home I can test all 50 before coming out, and replace the few that do end up as coasters. If I burn all 50 at ITEC, we could be sending home 50 cheap *coasters* instead of 50 Linux CDs.
Now what *does* make sense is to make 50 Ubuntu 8.04 LTS discs, and then bring along a demo PC (like I always do) with a CD Burner and a hard drive containing other Linux CD ISOs, and burn the other ISOs people may want. They can grab a i386 Ubuntu Linux CD right away, or stick around to find out that there are 64bit Linux ISOs and "uber-coolness" Gentoo ISOs, and even 50MB DamnSmallLinux ISOs for any size computer. If they want a non-standard ISO, they may be willing to hang around a bit longer to get one.
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Consider perhaps a lighter footprint distro. My current contenders are Puppy or Damn Small.
On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 5:29 PM, Leo Mauler [email protected] wrote:
And on another note, I'm getting ready to burn a spindle of Linux CDs for ITEC. Should I wait until October and then burn one of the newer alpha images, or get started now on the "stable" Ubuntu 8.04 LTS image?
--- On Fri, 9/5/08, Justin Dugger [email protected] wrote:
From: Justin Dugger [email protected] Subject: Ubuntu 8.10 Alpha 5 now available To: "KCLUG" [email protected] Date: Friday, September 5, 2008, 4:12 PM I know a few people on the list were considering running the development version of Ubuntu to see if driver bugs were fixed. Now is a great time to grab the newly released alpha 5 and test, for both people who's hardware might be fixed and for people worried it might regress during development. Read more and get download it via:
http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/hardy/alpha5
Justin Dugger
Kclug mailing list [email protected] http://kclug.org/mailman/listinfo/kclug
--- On Sat, 9/6/08, Oren Beck [email protected] wrote:
On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 5:29 PM, Leo Mauler [email protected] wrote:
And on another note, I'm getting ready to burn a spindle of Linux CDs for ITEC. Should I wait until October and then burn one of the newer alpha images, or get started now on the "stable" Ubuntu 8.04 LTS image?
Consider perhaps a lighter footprint distro. My current contenders are Puppy or Damn Small.
I'm reluctant to promote Puppy Linux to newcomers as it has its own proprietary packaging system (".pet") and this system only seems to have a utility for converting Slackware packages to .PET packages. While Slackware is still a nice distro, it is still not a distro I would start a non-Linux user on to get interested in Linux.
DSL does Debian's package manager and can convert to a full Debian install (two major bonuses), but the problem with ITEC is that attendees have had a year or two to see Vista's Aero and all the other eye candy, and DSL is very basic. Ubuntu is flashy as well as good, so it still may be the better distro for ITEC.
I agree that we should have a bunch of CDs of the same distro on hand with the ability to give out others if people are interested. I need a reminder - does the ubuntu image have a liveCD on it? If so definately go with ubuntu. Otherwise, might do some sort of liveCD-with-installer so people can play with linux on their pc without a lot of effort - get them hooked fast and make converting easy ;)
I would definately promote either FC or Ubuntu though - those are the only two distros that I've installed that just worked out of the box with little or no tweaking on my end. We don't want new users to get frustrated...let them get hooked first, then give them gentoo/LFS =)
On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 9:39 PM, Leo Mauler [email protected] wrote:
--- On Sat, 9/6/08, Oren Beck [email protected] wrote:
On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 5:29 PM, Leo Mauler [email protected] wrote:
And on another note, I'm getting ready to burn a spindle of Linux CDs for ITEC. Should I wait until October and then burn one of the newer alpha images, or get started now on the "stable" Ubuntu 8.04 LTS image?
Consider perhaps a lighter footprint distro. My current contenders are Puppy or Damn Small.
I'm reluctant to promote Puppy Linux to newcomers as it has its own proprietary packaging system (".pet") and this system only seems to have a utility for converting Slackware packages to .PET packages. While Slackware is still a nice distro, it is still not a distro I would start a non-Linux user on to get interested in Linux.
DSL does Debian's package manager and can convert to a full Debian install (two major bonuses), but the problem with ITEC is that attendees have had a year or two to see Vista's Aero and all the other eye candy, and DSL is very basic. Ubuntu is flashy as well as good, so it still may be the better distro for ITEC.
Kclug mailing list [email protected] http://kclug.org/mailman/listinfo/kclug
On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 11:29 PM, Nathan Cerny [email protected] wrote:
I agree that we should have a bunch of CDs of the same distro on hand with the ability to give out others if people are interested. I need a reminder
- does the ubuntu image have a liveCD on it? If so definately go with
ubuntu.
Ubuntu has used a liveCD, from which permanent installation can later be done, for several years now. It's one of the reasons we started using it as the main distro for ITEC. The same CD can be used to "test drive" Linux and do the install.
Thanks...that's what I thought, but I couldn't remember :)
On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 8:24 AM, Monty J. Harder [email protected] wrote:
On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 11:29 PM, Nathan Cerny [email protected] wrote:
I agree that we should have a bunch of CDs of the same distro on hand with the ability to give out others if people are interested. I need a reminder
- does the ubuntu image have a liveCD on it? If so definately go with
ubuntu.
Ubuntu has used a liveCD, from which permanent installation can later be done, for several years now. It's one of the reasons we started using it as the main distro for ITEC. The same CD can be used to "test drive" Linux and do the install.
Pick one small enough to put extras on - like songs/videos/artwork/etc - eg. free cultural artifacts.
Thanks,
Ron Geoffrion 913.488.7664
________________________________ From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Nathan Cerny Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 2:17 PM To: Monty J. Harder Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: Which CD to burn enmasse for ITEC? (was Re: Ubuntu 8.10 Alpha 5 now available)
Thanks...that's what I thought, but I couldn't remember :)
On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 8:24 AM, Monty J. Harder <[email protected]mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 11:29 PM, Nathan Cerny <[email protected]mailto:[email protected]> wrote: I agree that we should have a bunch of CDs of the same distro on hand with the ability to give out others if people are interested. I need a reminder - does the ubuntu image have a liveCD on it? If so definately go with ubuntu.
Ubuntu has used a liveCD, from which permanent installation can later be done, for several years now. It's one of the reasons we started using it as the main distro for ITEC. The same CD can be used to "test drive" Linux and do the install.
-- Nathan Cerny
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On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 10:08 PM, Geoffrion, Ron P [IT] [email protected] wrote:
Pick one small enough to put extras on - like songs/videos/artwork/etc - eg. free cultural artifacts.
Well, it's not like KCLUG has an active songs/video/artwork community. But Ubuntu is looking to place some new stuff on the Live CD: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuFreeCultureShowcase. I believe the goal is to have that in 8.10. But space is always tight on the LiveCD so the competition is fierce and the space is limited.
There's also a DVD image with more software on it -- maybe you could take Ubuntu LiveCD .iso and add files for a new DVD image?
Justin Dugger
On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 5:36 PM, Justin Dugger [email protected] wrote:
On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 10:08 PM, Geoffrion, Ron P [IT] [email protected] wrote:
Pick one small enough to put extras on - like songs/videos/artwork/etc - eg. free cultural artifacts.
Well, it's not like KCLUG has an active songs/video/artwork community. But Ubuntu is looking to place some new stuff on the Live CD: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuFreeCultureShowcase. I believe the goal is to have that in 8.10. But space is always tight on the LiveCD so the competition is fierce and the space is limited.
There's also a DVD image with more software on it -- maybe you could take Ubuntu LiveCD .iso and add files for a new DVD image?
Justin Dugger _______________________________________________
Gutenberg?
--- On Sun, 9/7/08, Oren Beck [email protected] wrote:
On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 5:36 PM, Justin Dugger [email protected] wrote:
On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 10:08 PM, Geoffrion, Ron P [IT] [email protected] wrote:
Pick one small enough to put extras on - like songs/videos/artwork/etc - eg. free cultural artifacts.
Well, it's not like KCLUG has an active songs/video/artwork community. But Ubuntu is looking to place some new stuff on the Live CD: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuFreeCultureShowcase. I believe the goal is to have that in 8.10. But space is always tight on the LiveCD so the competition is fierce and the space is limited.
There's also a DVD image with more software on it -- maybe you could take Ubuntu LiveCD .iso and add files for a new DVD image?
Gutenberg?
Personally I say hand them Linux and tell them Project Gutenberg's URL. As anyone who has been on the KCLUG list for any length of time can tell you, the wide variety of opinions on KCLUG would make a discussion of which Gutenberg books to put on a LiveCD into something akin to a religious war.
Let the folks who install Linux find their own content. They'll be happier in the end with their own choices than whatever we'd pick for them anyway.
On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 10:16 AM, Leo Mauler [email protected] wrote:
Personally I say hand them Linux and tell them Project Gutenberg's URL. As anyone who has been on the KCLUG list for any length of time can tell you, the wide variety of opinions on KCLUG would make a discussion of which Gutenberg books to put on a LiveCD into something akin to a religious war.
Exactly. Let them get Linux installed, and subscribe to the list first. THEN have the religious wars. (You know: EMACS vs. vi, GNOME vs. KDE , .rpm vs. .deb vs. .tar.gz vs....)
Hey, if they're using linux, I'm happy. Even if they ARE using the wrong distro...and as long as they're not using red hat enterprise! *grumbles something about work using RHEL4*
On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 11:38 AM, Monty J. Harder [email protected] wrote:
On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 10:16 AM, Leo Mauler [email protected] wrote:
Personally I say hand them Linux and tell them Project Gutenberg's URL. As anyone who has been on the KCLUG list for any length of time can tell you, the wide variety of opinions on KCLUG would make a discussion of which Gutenberg books to put on a LiveCD into something akin to a religious war.
Exactly. Let them get Linux installed, and subscribe to the list first. THEN have the religious wars. (You know: EMACS vs. vi, GNOME vs. KDE , .rpm vs. .deb vs. .tar.gz vs....)
Kclug mailing list [email protected] http://kclug.org/mailman/listinfo/kclug
Creative Commons already did this with the help of the Fedora project, and RedHat: http://torrent.fedoraproject.org/torrents/cc/ccLiveContent-2.0-1202964485.is... http://torrent.fedoraproject.org/torrents/cc/ccLiveContent-2.0-FINAL.iso.tor...
On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 17:08, Geoffrion, Ron P [IT] [email protected] wrote:
Pick one small enough to put extras on - like songs/videos/artwork/etc - eg. free cultural artifacts.
--- On Sun, 9/7/08, Geoffrion, Ron P [IT] [email protected] wrote:
Pick one small enough to put extras on - like songs/videos/artwork/etc - eg. free cultural artifacts.
It may interest the folks who don't use Ubuntu that Ubuntu has an "Examples" directory of multimedia files on the LiveCD, a directory which is copied onto the hard drive during a system install, and each new user account created on a new system gets a softlink to the central "Examples" directory (all files marked "read-only").
Of note is the audio book of the Aesops Fable, which was created by the LibriVox project (created August 2005). LibriVox (http://librivox.org/) is trying to convert all of the Project Gutenberg books, and a few others, into human-read CC-Public-Domain-Dedication (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/publicdomain/) audio books. Project Gutenberg has essentially dropped its pursuit of computer-read audio books (as many had multiple errors and/or were missing huge chunks of the text) and is relying on the volunteers at LibriVox to provide public domain audio books.
The contents of the (current v8.04) Ubuntu "Examples" directory are as follows:
======================================== oo-about-these-files.odt -- An OpenOffice.org Document file explaining the contents of the Examples folder.
Experience ubuntu.ogg -- Video (Ogg format. Theora video codec, Vorbis audio codec) of the former South African president Nelson Mandela explaining the concept of 'ubuntu'.
fables_01_01_aesop.spx -- an Aesop Fable, read into a speech file by the LibriVox project.
gimp-ubuntu-splash.xcf -- A small example GIMP image file using 16 separate layers.
kubuntu-leaflet.png -- A leaflet explaining Kubuntu logo-Edubuntu.png -- Edubuntu Logo in PNG graphics format logo-Kubuntu.png -- Kubuntu Logo in PNG graphics format logo-Ubuntu.png -- Ubuntu Logo in PNG graphics format
oo-welcome.odt -- OpenOffice.org Document file containing a "Welcome to Ubuntu" message, incorporating text and graphics.
oo-about-ubuntu-ru.rtf -- OpenOffice.org example file for showing how OOo can read RichText files.
oo-cd-cover.odg -- OpenOffice.org example of CD Cover for Ubuntu CDs/DVDs
oo-derivatives.doc -- OpenOffice.org example file for showing how OOo can read Microsoft Office Document files.
oo-maxwell.odt -- OpenOffice.org example of a file incorporating OOo's Math Function capabilities.
oo-payment-schedule.ods -- OpenOffice.org example Spreadsheet file.
oo-presenting-kubuntu.odp -- OpenOffice.org example Presentation file.
oo-presenting-ubuntu.odp -- OpenOffice.org example Presentation file.
oo-trig.xls -- OpenOffice.org example file for showing how OOo can read Microsoft Excel files.
ubuntu Sax.ogg -- a Music track in Ogg/Vorbis format by Eddie Boyd, Johann Kotze and John Pringle from Cape Town, SA. The track is released under a Creative Commons license2. ========================================
--- On Sat, 9/6/08, Nathan Cerny [email protected] wrote:
I agree that we should have a bunch of CDs of the same distro on hand with the ability to give out others if people are interested. I need a reminder - does the ubuntu image have a liveCD on it? If so definately go with ubuntu.
Ubuntu comes with a LiveCD. Prior to v8.04, Ubuntu even required that you boot into the LiveCD before you could install Ubuntu on your system.
One of the things I really liked about Ubuntu 8.04 LTS was that the opening plaintext menu now includes an option to skip the LiveCD boot and go straight to an install.
On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 9:25 AM, Leo Mauler [email protected] wrote:
Ubuntu comes with a LiveCD. Prior to v8.04, Ubuntu even required that you boot into the LiveCD before you could install Ubuntu on your system.
One of the things I really liked about Ubuntu 8.04 LTS was that the opening plaintext menu now includes an option to skip the LiveCD boot and go straight to an install.
There have been the Alternate Install CDs for some time. And I've been running Ubuntu long enough to remember the Debian based text installer thta they started out with that is still what is used for GUI-less installs. Heck, I'm such a masochist that I was installing Ubuntu 5.04 on OldWorld ROM Macs. Trust me, dealing with non-MacOS on pre-G3 hardware is not much fun. But, I digress even more...
Jon.
--- On Mon, 9/8/08, Jon Pruente [email protected] wrote:
On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 9:25 AM, Leo Mauler [email protected] wrote:
Ubuntu comes with a LiveCD. Prior to v8.04, Ubuntu even required that you boot into the LiveCD before you could install Ubuntu on your system.
One of the things I really liked about Ubuntu 8.04 LTS was that the opening plaintext menu now includes an option to skip the LiveCD boot and go straight to an install.
There have been the Alternate Install CDs for some time.
Yes, but the Alternative Install CD only has a text-based installer. Sometimes you just wanted the GUI, but Ubuntu (until now) made you load the LiveCD just to get to the GUI installer. Now regular Ubuntu lets you have the GUI installer while avoiding the RAM-consuming LiveCD boot, and thats just perfect.
And I've been running Ubuntu long enough to remember the Debian based text installer thta they started out with that is still what is used for GUI-less installs. Heck, I'm such a masochist that I was installing Ubuntu 5.04 on OldWorld ROM Macs. Trust me, dealing with non-MacOS on pre-G3 hardware is not much fun. But, I digress even more...
Don't get me wrong, I'm okay with the Linux text-based installer. I've installed Slackware 7.1 from floppies on occasions too numerous to mention here, including formatting a floppy or two to 1.7MB just so some of the larger packages on the Slackware 7.1 CD could be "sneakernet" installed onto a PC which was giving me network issues.
On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 9:21 PM, Leo Mauler [email protected] wrote:
Yes, but the Alternative Install CD only has a text-based installer. Sometimes you just wanted the GUI, but Ubuntu (until now) made you load the LiveCD just to get to the GUI installer. Now regular Ubuntu lets you have the GUI installer while avoiding the RAM-consuming LiveCD boot, and thats just perfect.
And the Ubuntu CD also has a fourth option: If you insert it into a running Windows machine, it will let you install to the HD without repartitioning, which is slower than a normal HD install, but faster than the Live CD.
They took out the Windows versions of Open Source apps, though. We can just point people to sites where they can DL those.
On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 10:15 AM, Monty J. Harder [email protected] wrote:
And the Ubuntu CD also has a fourth option: If you insert it into a running Windows machine, it will let you install to the HD without repartitioning, which is slower than a normal HD install, but faster than the Live CD.
Does it create a big disk image file (like redhat 5 used to) or does it use the r/w ntfs fs driver?
On Tuesday 09 September 2008 10:56:29 David Nicol wrote:
On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 10:15 AM, Monty J. Harder [email protected] wrote:
And the Ubuntu CD also has a fourth option: If you insert it into a running Windows machine, it will let you install to the HD without repartitioning, which is slower than a normal HD install, but faster than the Live CD.
Does it create a big disk image file (like redhat 5 used to) or does it use the r/w ntfs fs driver?
Is it even possible to use NTFS directly? I would expect problems with ACLs and POSIX permissions at the least...
--- On Tue, 9/9/08, David Nicol [email protected] wrote:
On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 10:15 AM, Monty J. Harder [email protected] wrote:
And the Ubuntu CD also has a fourth option: If you insert it into a running Windows machine, it will let you install to the HD without repartitioning, which is slower than a normal HD install, but faster than the Live CD.
Does it create a big disk image file (like redhat 5 used to) or does it use the r/w ntfs fs driver?
Please tell me it doesn't use <shudder> umsdos!
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Billy Crook -
David Nicol -
Geoffrion, Ron P [IT] -
Jon Pruente -
Justin Dugger -
Justin Dugger -
Kendric Beachey -
Leo Mauler -
Luke -Jr -
Monty J. Harder -
Nathan Cerny -
Oren Beck