I'm off at an art fair with my artist wife in Oklahoma City. Our hotel didn't come with free wireless internet, but the IHOP across the street did. I'm sending this E-mail from that very IHOP (although the signal was strong enough to reach out to the parking lot).
I'm curious: where in KC have people found equally free (or free with a food purchase) wireless Internet access? I know some of the Panera Bread restaurants have them, but it would be interesting to find out places which already have it to schedule alternative LUG and other computer group meeting locations.
I must sign off as the battery power in the laptop is getting low. Which is another thing: when you post locations with free wireless Internet access, be sure to note locations of power outlets as some of us have laptops without good batteries. This IHOP doesn't really have a table with a power outlet near it.
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City. Our hotel didn't come with free wireless internet, but the IHOP across the street did.
IHOP rules there all you can eat pancakes are good.
I'm curious: where in KC have people found equally free (or free with a food purchase) wireless Internet access?
Let me find the link but there is like around 30 free waps in kc metro area.
Jonathan
Let me find the link but there is like around 30 free waps in kc metro area.
Ok I was wrong there is more like 61 hot spots in kansas city.
http://www.flashnetwork.net/hotspots/
Chow,
Jonathan
-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of djgoku Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 9:44 AM To: Leo Mauler; [email protected] Subject: Re: OT: Free Wireless Internet in KC
Let me find the link but there is like around 30 free waps in kc metro
area.
Ok I was wrong there is more like 61 hot spots in kansas city.
I think "free" was likely the most important adjective here. Flash is like $30.00 per month.
D.
Oh I thought it was free hotspots... Anyone know a site of free hotspots? eheh
Jonathan
On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 13:16:51 -0600, Dustin Decker [email protected] wrote:
-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of djgoku Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 9:44 AM To: Leo Mauler; [email protected] Subject: Re: OT: Free Wireless Internet in KC
Let me find the link but there is like around 30 free waps in kc metro
area.
Ok I was wrong there is more like 61 hot spots in kansas city.
I think "free" was likely the most important adjective here. Flash is like $30.00 per month.
D.
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On Saturday 15 January 2005 01:16 pm, Dustin Decker wrote:
I think "free" was likely the most important adjective here. Flash is like $30.00 per month.
Yeah, I've noticed that the rates for public wireless in the U.S. are still in the "you can gouge early adopters for as much as you want" range, yet to be brought down by competition. Cities where it's been aroudn for a while are more reasonable, as are rates in Europe.
Britain is still mostly metered access, even for broadband though. Needless to say Ireland is beating their pants off in IT.
--- Jonathan Hutchins [email protected] wrote:
On Saturday 15 January 2005 01:16 pm, Dustin Decker wrote:
I think "free" was likely the most important adjective here. Flash is like $30.00 per month.
Yeah, I've noticed that the rates for public wireless in the U.S. are still in the "you can gouge early adopters for as much as you want" range, yet to be brought down by competition. Cities where it's been aroudn for a while are more reasonable, as are rates in Europe.
I've heard that Philadelphia is implementing a city-wide free 2Mbps wireless network (possibly 11Mbps).
My father tells me that New York has a lot of "ad-hoc" free wireless access points (someone has placed a WAP in their apartment window), as well as some parks which feature free wireless access.
Britain is still mostly metered access, even for broadband though. Needless to say Ireland is beating their pants off in IT.
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Quoting Leo Mauler [email protected]:
My father tells me that New York has a lot of "ad-hoc" free wireless access points (someone has placed a WAP in their apartment window), as well as some parks which feature free wireless access.
When I was in Manhattan in May, I was able to get onto a handful of open wireless networks from my hotel room on the 14th floor. Every coffee shop we went into advertised wireless access though it was usually for paying T-Mobile customers.
-- Dave Hull http://insipid.com
http://www.nycwireless.net/ is the place...
I read an article about new york wireless, including the widespread application of grid routing, so you can use your laptop in a moving cab in theory
On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 20:18:48 -0600, Dave Hull [email protected] wrote:
Quoting Leo Mauler [email protected]:
My father tells me that New York has a lot of "ad-hoc" free wireless access points (someone has placed a WAP in their apartment window), as well as some parks which feature free wireless access.
When I was in Manhattan in May, I was able to get onto a handful of open wireless networks from my hotel room on the 14th floor. Every coffee shop we went into advertised wireless access though it was usually for paying T-Mobile customers.
--- djgoku [email protected] wrote:
City. Our hotel didn't come with free wireless internet, but the IHOP across the street did.
IHOP rules there all you can eat pancakes are good.
Yes, I ordered a bagel & cream cheese for my Internet access. :)
I'm curious: where in KC have people found equally free (or free with a food purchase) wireless Internet access?
Let me find the link but there is like around 30 free waps in kc metro area.
The fair was held in a hotel, and the hotel bar had a sign up promising Wireless-G, but the second day of the fair their net access went down to 24% signal and refused to connect. :(
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Funny, I clicked through something to a finder map the other day. It was an askward interface, but it was a public wardriving database. Some of the open commercial nodes were listed, but it also showed any detectable node and what it's status was. It was slow, but interesting - and of course I have no idea what the URL was.
Google is your friend:
http://www.openhotspots.net/ http://www.wi-fihotspotlist.com/ http://www.wi-fihotspotlist.com/
There are a lot of re-branded jiwire search engines too:
kcwireless.net used to have a link to a local map on nodedb.com, but they appear to be offline now:
http://www.nodedb.com/ http://www.nodedb.com/unitedstates/ks/kansas_city/?
Someone was asking about setting up an ad-hoc network for a festival this Summer. Contact me off list please - I think I may be working on this already.
Here's another link: http://www.wififreespot.com/
(BTW... The Overland Park Convention Center is nice, and it has power outlets :-)
----- Original Message ----- From: "Jonathan Hutchins" [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 2:06 PM Subject: Re: OT: Free Wireless Internet in KC
Funny, I clicked through something to a finder map the other day. It was
an
askward interface, but it was a public wardriving database. Some of the
open
commercial nodes were listed, but it also showed any detectable node and
what
it's status was. It was slow, but interesting - and of course I have no
idea
what the URL was.
Google is your friend:
http://www.openhotspots.net/ http://www.wi-fihotspotlist.com/ http://www.wi-fihotspotlist.com/
There are a lot of re-branded jiwire search engines too:
kcwireless.net used to have a link to a local map on nodedb.com, but they appear to be offline now:
http://www.nodedb.com/ http://www.nodedb.com/unitedstates/ks/kansas_city/?
Someone was asking about setting up an ad-hoc network for a festival this Summer. Contact me off list please - I think I may be working on this already. _______________________________________________ Kclug mailing list [email protected] http://kclug.org/mailman/listinfo/kclug
FWIW, I just set up free wireless access for UNO Chicago Grill in their Plaza location (4710 Jefferson) a couple weeks ago using the Linux-based ZONECD product... they don't have the advertising in place, but the system's up and working. :)
The ZONECD stuff works great http://www.publicip.net/... once I realized there was a bug in the wireless router's firmware which left DHCP running after I'd turned it off through the router's web interface.
We'll be using ZONECD to provide free wireless access at the Linda Hall Library within a couple weeks... it's all configured and ready to go, just a case now of getting the boss to approve the Acceptable Use Policy.
...brig
On Sun, 2005-01-16 at 09:53 -0600, Jonathan Hale wrote:
Here's another link: http://www.wififreespot.com/
(BTW... The Overland Park Convention Center is nice, and it has power outlets :-)
----- Original Message ----- From: "Jonathan Hutchins" [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 2:06 PM Subject: Re: OT: Free Wireless Internet in KC
Funny, I clicked through something to a finder map the other day. It was
an
askward interface, but it was a public wardriving database. Some of the
open
commercial nodes were listed, but it also showed any detectable node and
what
it's status was. It was slow, but interesting - and of course I have no
idea
what the URL was.
Google is your friend:
http://www.openhotspots.net/ http://www.wi-fihotspotlist.com/ http://www.wi-fihotspotlist.com/
There are a lot of re-branded jiwire search engines too:
kcwireless.net used to have a link to a local map on nodedb.com, but they appear to be offline now:
http://www.nodedb.com/ http://www.nodedb.com/unitedstates/ks/kansas_city/?
Someone was asking about setting up an ad-hoc network for a festival this Summer. Contact me off list please - I think I may be working on this already. _______________________________________________ Kclug mailing list [email protected] http://kclug.org/mailman/listinfo/kclug
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I'm a little bit surprised that LH is out of range of the umkc_open network.
On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 10:39:34 -0600, Brig C. McCoy [email protected] wrote:
FWIW, I just set up free wireless access for UNO Chicago Grill in their Plaza location (4710 Jefferson) a couple weeks ago using the Linux-based ZONECD product... they don't have the advertising in place, but the system's up and working. :)
that's good to know. McDonalds has it to do they not?
We'll be using ZONECD to provide free wireless access at the Linda Hall Library within a couple weeks... it's all configured and ready to go, just a case now of getting the boss to approve the Acceptable Use Policy.
...brig
Brig C. McCoy Head, Systems Office Linda Hall Library of Science, Engineering & Technology 5109 Cherry Street Kansas City, Missouri 64110-2498 816-926-8749 Direct 816-885-2700 Cell 816-926-8790 FAX
Linda Hall Library is an independent research library. We're not part of UMKC... we're on the original property of the folks who gave us the money, UMKC just grew up around us over the years. :)
...brig
On Sun, 2005-01-16 at 20:38 -0600, David Nicol wrote:
I'm a little bit surprised that LH is out of range of the umkc_open network.
On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 10:39:34 -0600, Brig C. McCoy [email protected] wrote:
FWIW, I just set up free wireless access for UNO Chicago Grill in their Plaza location (4710 Jefferson) a couple weeks ago using the Linux-based ZONECD product... they don't have the advertising in place, but the system's up and working. :)
that's good to know. McDonalds has it to do they not?
We'll be using ZONECD to provide free wireless access at the Linda Hall Library within a couple weeks... it's all configured and ready to go, just a case now of getting the boss to approve the Acceptable Use Policy.
...brig
Brig C. McCoy Head, Systems Office Linda Hall Library of Science, Engineering & Technology 5109 Cherry Street Kansas City, Missouri 64110-2498 816-926-8749 Direct 816-885-2700 Cell 816-926-8790 FAX
That hasn't stopped them from using UMKC/MOREnet connectivity in the past. Is the LHL-to-Newcomb Hall fiber connection still in place?
Brig C. McCoy wrote:
Linda Hall Library is an independent research library. We're not part of UMKC... we're on the original property of the folks who gave us the money, UMKC just grew up around us over the years. :)
On Monday 17 January 2005 08:16 am, Gerald Combs wrote:
That hasn't stopped them from using UMKC/MOREnet connectivity in the past. Is the LHL-to-Newcomb Hall fiber connection still in place?
I would imagine that Linda Hall wants to implement an access policy that's appropriate to their own users, rather than require any of their users to have UMKC accounts and following UMKC's rules.
UMKC's "service" staff takes the term "user hostile" to a whole new level. I doubt many businesses would want to let the U dictate the policies applied to their clients, or to rely on the them for customer support.
(This is a matter of administrative policy, usually not due to the preferences or ability of the staff.)
We actually have a separate Internet connection through a commercial vendor, providing us with a nice backup and the ability to be more flexible in our access policies.
...brig
On Mon, 2005-01-17 at 08:49 -0600, Jonathan Hutchins wrote:
On Monday 17 January 2005 08:16 am, Gerald Combs wrote:
That hasn't stopped them from using UMKC/MOREnet connectivity in the past. Is the LHL-to-Newcomb Hall fiber connection still in place?
I would imagine that Linda Hall wants to implement an access policy that's appropriate to their own users, rather than require any of their users to have UMKC accounts and following UMKC's rules.
UMKC's "service" staff takes the term "user hostile" to a whole new level. I doubt many businesses would want to let the U dictate the policies applied to their clients, or to rely on the them for customer support.
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Yes. We have an Internet connection via UMKC in exchange for services we provide to their staff/faculty.
We're good neighbors with each other, there are several areas where we work together, such as co-sponsoring the IATUL (International Association of Technological University Libraries) conference a couple years ago.
...brig
On Mon, 2005-01-17 at 08:16 -0600, Gerald Combs wrote:
That hasn't stopped them from using UMKC/MOREnet connectivity in the past. Is the LHL-to-Newcomb Hall fiber connection still in place?
Brig C. McCoy wrote:
Linda Hall Library is an independent research library. We're not part of UMKC... we're on the original property of the folks who gave us the money, UMKC just grew up around us over the years. :)
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On Sat, Jan 15, 2005 at 07:11:06AM -0800, Leo Mauler wrote:
I'm curious: where in KC have people found equally free (or free with a food purchase) wireless Internet access?
For those in Overland Park, there's a cafe at 135 & Quivera with Internet access.
My favorite is the Starbucks in downtown Lawrence. They do the T-Mobile hot spot thing, but there's an open access point nearby, I think in the hotel across the street.
Jeremy
On Sat, Jan 15, 2005 at 07:11:06AM -0800, Leo Mauler wrote:
I'm curious: where in KC have people found equally free (or free with a food purchase) wireless Internet access?
Completely free at the Kansas City Central Library (downtown) and Union Station.
A quick search on Google for confirmation turned up the following links:
http://blogkc.com/archives/wireless-internet-access/ http://wififreespot.com/mo.html
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Quoting Jeremy Turner [email protected]:
My favorite is the Starbucks in downtown Lawrence. They do the T-Mobile hot spot thing, but there's an open access point nearby, I think in the hotel across the street.
I can't say for sure, but I doubt it's The Eldridge Hotel. I know Free State Brewery has an open access point. I've seen a blurb for free wireless access on their table tents.
If good coffee is your gig, you should check out La Prima Tazza (sorry if that's spelled incorrectly), they are across the street from Starbucks and right next door to Free State. You may get a strong signal there and you can support a locally owned and operated business which will make the locals happy.
Then there's Henry's between Mass St. and New Hampshire on 8th. They have a Linksys AP above the bar. I'm not sure about the service or how it works or who it's affiliated with, the one time I went there to try and use it, I couldn't get it to work and the one person who knew anything about it was not due in for several hours.
Doubtless there are other spots in Lawrence, but this is KCLUG I've misspoken enough.
-- Dave Hull http://insipid.com
-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dave Hull Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 10:46 PM Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: OT: Free Wireless Internet in KC
If good coffee is your gig,
[snip]
Doubtless there are other spots in Lawrence, but this is KCLUG I've misspoken enough.
No biggie - but let's not forget Java Break. Good coffee, decent folks in/out of there, and wireless. (Unless it's changed in the what, 4 years since I used to hang?)
Dustin
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 22:46:12 -0600 Dave Hull [email protected] wrote:
Doubtless there are other spots in Lawrence, but this is KCLUG I've misspoken enough.
I think you seriously underestimate Lawrence. :)
Like Dustin said there is also Java Break ( where I'm sending this E-mail from ) that has decent signal. Also, check out Sunflower's free wireless in lawrence:
http://www.sunflowerbroadband.com/internet/wireless/index.html
and the hot spot locations are here:
http://www.sunflowerbroadband.com/internet/wireless/hotspots.html
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Quoting Frank Wiles [email protected]:
Also, check out Sunflower's free wireless in lawrence:
http://www.sunflowerbroadband.com/internet/wireless/index.html
You say this is "free"? As in beer? I thought one had to pay to use the Sunflower Hot Spots, is that really not the case?
Btw, I see you're published (again) in February's Sys Admin Magazine. Nice work.
<shameless_slef_promotion> What's this article on Next Generation DHCP Deployments all about? </shameless_self_promotion>
-- Dave Hull http://insipid.com
Quoting Dave Hull [email protected]:
Btw, I see you're published (again) in February's Sys Admin Magazine. Nice work.
Scratch that, it's the January issue that you're in.
-- Dave Hull http://insipid.com
On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 08:41:16 -0600 Dave Hull [email protected] wrote:
Quoting Frank Wiles [email protected]:
Also, check out Sunflower's free wireless in lawrence:
http://www.sunflowerbroadband.com/internet/wireless/index.html
You say this is "free"? As in beer? I thought one had to pay to use the Sunflower Hot Spots, is that really not the case?
Yes they are free as in beer. They used to be a pay service, but the business model just wan't there so we opened it up several months ago. Maybe even a year ago.
Btw, I see you're published (again) in February's Sys Admin Magazine. Nice work.
Yeah it's the January issue as you mentioned. I try to write for them as often as I can find the time. That and have a topic others would care to read about. Sometimes the things I'm interested in writing about don't really appeal to a mass audience. I'm starting to write a few things and will put them up on my side business' website in the near future.
I told the mod_perl community I would write an article around the time mod_perl 2.0 was released to help renew interest in it.
<shameless_slef_promotion> What's this article on Next Generation DHCP Deployments all about? </shameless_self_promotion>
Ooh congrats. I'll make a point of reading it. Definitely have to keep up on DHCP.
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On Thu, Jan 20, 2005 at 09:28:18AM -0600, Frank Wiles wrote:
Btw, I see you're published (again) in February's Sys Admin Magazine. Nice work.
Yeah it's the January issue as you mentioned. I try to write for them as often as I can find the time. That and have a topic others would care to read about. Sometimes the things I'm interested in writing about don't really appeal to a mass audience. I'm starting to write a few things and will put them up on my side business' website in the near future.
I told the mod_perl community I would write an article around the time mod_perl 2.0 was released to help renew interest in it.
<shameless_slef_promotion> What's this article on Next Generation DHCP Deployments all about? </shameless_self_promotion>
Ooh congrats. I'll make a point of reading it. Definitely have to keep up on DHCP.
I caught the writing bug a couple of months ago. I enjoyed it and hope I can write more. I'm working through several book reviews, so maybe they'll get published somewhere.
I picked up a copy of Sys Admin mag a couple of months ago and really enjoyed it. It had a lot of good information. Maybe it'll be the next mag I subscribe to!
Jeremy
Hi...
I'm interested in implementing version control for our web site development work, including configuration files.
We're on Redhat Enterprise 3 with Apache.
I've worked with sccs in the past (hey, I'm old, deal) and still have the night terrors.
Obviously cvs would do the job, but I'd like to find something less complicated for the Windows-biased members of my staff.
Anyone have any experience with subversion? Any other suggestions?
...brig
On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 12:50:06 -0600 "Brig C. McCoy" [email protected] wrote:
Hi...
I'm interested in implementing version control for our web site development work, including configuration files.
We're on Redhat Enterprise 3 with Apache.
I've worked with sccs in the past (hey, I'm old, deal) and still have the night terrors.
Obviously cvs would do the job, but I'd like to find something less complicated for the Windows-biased members of my staff.
Anyone have any experience with subversion? Any other suggestions?
I've moved all of my personal code from CVS to subversion several months ago and love it. It fixes a ton of the problems CVS had (renaming files, braching/tagging times, etc).
Supposedly you can even setup a webdav share that people can write to that will increment versions on each write and put in a default log message.
--------------------------------- Frank Wiles [email protected] http://www.wiles.org ---------------------------------
On Thursday 20 January 2005 01:31 pm, Frank Wiles wrote:
Supposedly you can even setup a webdav share that people can write to that will increment versions on each write and put in a default log message.
Yep. And you can even use WebDAV with a myriad of authoring programs. This is definitely the way to go.
Brig C. McCoy wrote:
Hi...
I'm interested in implementing version control for our web site development work, including configuration files.
We're on Redhat Enterprise 3 with Apache.
I've worked with sccs in the past (hey, I'm old, deal) and still have the night terrors.
Obviously cvs would do the job,
...until you need to rename or delete a directory.
but I'd like to find something less complicated for the Windows-biased members of my staff.
Anyone have any experience with subversion? Any other suggestions?
I moved Ethereal from CVS to Subversion last July. We have a read-write repository, which is only accessible via SSH, with changes propagating to a read-only repository on another box accessible via WebDAV and ViewCVS (available at http://anonsvn.ethereal.com/). We also have checkins trigger email notifications and BuildBot builds (http://buildbot.ethereal.com). Setting it all up was pretty straightforward, despite the complexity and component diversity. There have been a couple of glitches, but I don't regret switching.
Subversion has a _ton_ of clients available on multiple platforms, including Windows. TortoiseSVN integrates directly with the Windows explorer. I think you can set up an fsfs repository on a Windows file share and access it directly using clients, with no server neccessary.
Brig C. McCoy wrote:
Hi...
I'm interested in implementing version control for our web site development work, including configuration files.
We're on Redhat Enterprise 3 with Apache.
I've worked with sccs in the past (hey, I'm old, deal) and still have the night terrors.
Obviously cvs would do the job, but I'd like to find something less complicated for the Windows-biased members of my staff.
Anyone have any experience with subversion? Any other suggestions?
As everyone else mentioned, subversion rocks!
One feature no one else mentioned that you might find handy is subversion *NEVER* does anything to your files, they're always handled '8-bit clean'.
That means no EOL line munging, no inserting magic text for special tags in the file, and no special tagging of files required to avoid corruption!
I find this *VERY* handy when versioning files from custom CAD tools, which tend to be a mix of ascii-only and propriatery binary formats. This would probably also be helpful in versioning websites, as you won't have to worry about image files, binary downloads, etc. being munged.
NOTE: Subversion still stores a 'tag' that describes the file-type along with the file (think mime-type and you're not far off), but regardless of what subversion thinks the file-type is, it's always '8-bit clean'.
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