Looks like a rant about people whose computer skills are limited by poor little Billy Gates. I keep in mind that those who love Wndows have never used anything else; those who hate Wndows HAVE used something else.
Some people think sounding off in colorful language will make them feel superior, and influence others into going along with their wants, needs and desires.
They are usually mistaken.
Gary Hildebrand St. Joseph, MO
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 21:53:01 -0500
From: "Oren Beck" [email protected] Subject: Typematic rate in livecd. To: KCLUG [email protected]
This is a query regarding what default settings should be for typematic. Earlier tonight the kiosk public terminal at the campground caused much Obscene Verbiage to be loudly spoken about Linux. The reason proved to be a typematic default setting of 600ms delay and 25 cps repeat. I myself felt that setting to be Obscenity Worthy upon trying it. Perhaps this issue might underscore why public perceptions become what they are? As in this case- the guest needing to check her yahoo mail found the terminal repeat rate -Uh- described mostly in anatomical improbabilities liberally frosted with excretions. I wish I had an audio recording as the woman was rather direct in expressions. ALL avoidable had the person responsible for such setting's default numbers thought a bit.
A demo disk by most probable reasoning WILL be seen by either the overly critical or the painfully inexperienced.
Thus handing out distros we have not checked for such issues may need rethinking.
So the "Expererience Zero" they have with Linux is a good one. As opposed to my unhappy camper.
Yes- assuredly we ALL should test a kiosk etc for such issues. I however respectfully suggest we all at the mastering level consider pre-master changes. Or at minimum feeding back to the responsible project person info on the issue.
Which feedback letter is being my next project.
-- Oren Beck
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--- On Fri, 9/12/08, gary hildebrand [email protected] wrote:
Looks like a rant about people whose computer skills are limited by poor little Billy Gates. I keep in mind that those who love Wndows have never used anything else; those who hate Wndows HAVE used something else.
Of course, there's still the third category of people who continue to use Windows despite disliking the experience because Windows does something Linux doesn't do yet (and by this I mean the short list of useful things, not the "easy access granted to viruses" sort of thing), or at least something which Linux doesn't do very well.
Of course, those people generally don't use colorful language in public places.
Actually- my comment and report is directed squarely at *PREVENTING* such stories.
Look at the situation from the "appliance operator's" POV. 1.It's Linux. 2. It was an epic fail. There is no number 3. As their view of Linux is...
Vs a possible case of:
They sit down at a kiosk demo running in ram on a fast machine with a fast connection. The experience is so positive they want their daily use computer to replicate it. Which potentially gets one of US a few $$.
On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 6:44 AM, Leo Mauler [email protected] wrote:
--- On Fri, 9/12/08, gary hildebrand [email protected] wrote:
Looks like a rant about people whose computer skills are limited by poor little Billy Gates. I keep in mind that those who love Wndows have never used anything else; those who hate Wndows HAVE used something else.
Of course, there's still the third category of people who continue to use Windows despite disliking the experience because Windows does something Linux doesn't do yet (and by this I mean the short list of useful things, not the "easy access granted to viruses" sort of thing), or at least something which Linux doesn't do very well.
Of course, those people generally don't use colorful language in public places.
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The reason proved to be a typematic default setting of 600ms delay and 25 cps repeat. I myself felt that setting to be Obscenity Worthy upon trying it.
whoever set that as the default probably set it there because that's how they like it. I can handle a 25 cps repeat, in fact it makes shell usage heavily relying on the up arrow rather than the available history searches more convenient.
It seems to me that in this instance Oren is guilty of magical thinking leading to inadequate pre-release testing.
The magical thinking is that the default settings set for the intended audience of the tool deployed would be appropriate for inexperienced appliance operators. This turned out not to be the case. Just like you shouldn't turn an unsupervised child loose with a half horsepower power drill, ...
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