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Question about the list and follow up to advice questions
by cragos＠gmail.com 31 Jan '07

31 Jan '07

I moved all the way back to KC to attend KCLUG meetings, and I've already missed two. I could set up some sort of reminder myself, but it might be more useful to have an automated mailer send messages out to the group at large or a second mailing list. Can the list admin set up a second list, perhaps kclug-announce, with announcements about forthcoming meetings 24 hours prior, and announcements about special events as needed? PS: If anyone's wondering, I'm good and settled now, up in NKC. At my apartment complex, the only ISP options were SBC and Roadrunner. As the reason Speakeasy was unable to provide service was that my area was on an SBC DSL repeater to which they didn't have access. Not having any interest in being on an overloaded repeater, I went the TW route.

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Custom LiveCD Internet Kiosk - was Re: Ethereal
by Jon Pruente 30 Jan '07

30 Jan '07

On 1/25/07, Oren Beck <orenbeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: > All of my scenarios are to pick brains for getting such projects > either assembled by others or getting directed myself to do these > things. I just found the MorphixLiveKiosk http://www.morphix.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=80&Itemid=… There is also a seemingly easy to use remaster setup for Puppy Linux. I haven't tried either of these, but they look promising for a good starting point. I've run Puppy, and it's pretty dang fast. I've never mastered my own LiveCD before, but the pages on puppyos.com make it look fairly easy. Jon.

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RE: Question about the list and follow up to advice questions
by Kelsay, Brian - Kansas City, MO 30 Jan '07

30 Jan '07

>-----Original Message----- >From: djgoku >Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 6:41 PM >On 1/27/07, Arthur Pemberton <> wrote: >> >> I have found TimeWarner RoadRunner to be quite good myself. Do note >> however, that they block of port 631 > >So what is port 631 used for other than below? > >ipp 631/udp # IPP (Internet Printing Protocol) >ipp 631/tcp # IPP (Internet Printing Protocol) > >I haven't seen/heard many people printing from the internet. I have a buddy that scanned his cable subnet, found some open shares, open machines, open everything, a few were even spewing crap on the subnet (broadcast, spam zombie, etc.) and he was able to remotely print to their printers to tell them how to fix it. Or if they had some tasty files, he waited a bit. ;-) So, far as I can tell, that's what remote printing is for.

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Looking for Tom Margrave
by Ed Allen 30 Jan '07

30 Jan '07

Does Tom still read this list ? Does anybody here know how to get in touch with him ?

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RE: DSL minimized was Re: Political Blather
by Kelsay, Brian - Kansas City, MO 28 Jan '07

28 Jan '07

Ethereal would not be something an average user needs right off the bat. I just looked and ethereal is not avail. for DSL. If you need it on a rescue disk, you can build a .dsl, .uci, or .unc pkg and place it on a customized DSL CD so that it loads on boot. You can also submit the pkg to the group for hosting at the mirrors so that everyone else can use it. ftp://ftp.oss.cc.gatech.edu/pub/linux/distributions/damnsmall/current/do cumentation/Howto_create_.dsl_application.pdf ftp://ftp.oss.cc.gatech.edu/pub/linux/distributions/damnsmall/current/do cumentation/MyDSLhowto.pdf >-----Original Message----- >From: Jared >Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 2:02 PM > >> Eh... if DSL is so small, why does it need to be compressed >to fit on a CD? > >Because the CD fits in your wallet. It's a 50MB business-card CD. > >Spend a few minutes on the DSL site. It's very cool, even if >they left out ethereal... :) > >http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/usb.html > >-Jared >

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RE: DSL minimized was Re: Political Blather
by Kelsay, Brian - Kansas City, MO 26 Jan '07

26 Jan '07

The point of compressing is to fit more on the CD. Knoppix does this too. DSL just limits itself to 50MB as a line in the sand they will not cross. There have been others like Puppy and Flonix that crossed the size border to add even more of what they thought was useful. Flonix went commercial and Puppy has gone off in their own direction, but is still very similar to DSL. DSL has forced itself to chop out that which is not needed for a LiveCD, like apt and dpkg and replace standard gnu-utils with busybox and writing their own apps in lua, like the mixer applet, the myDSL interface and the control panel applet. Lua is a little like Perl, very small and very powerful. If you wanted to build your own DSL that was not compressed, I'd imagine you would end up with something like 2x the size requirements, 100MB. I just remembered one other thing about DSL's small size, it allows you PLENTY of space on a full-sized custom build CD at 650MB to add all the extra apps that have been pkged to work with DSL. I've done that before and maxed out a 650MB disk. Games galore and you name it, but I still didn't have room for everything. I mostly did this to see what I could do and to test apps in the repository to see that they worked with new versions of DSL. I had to stop at some point when I got too busy. >-----Original Message----- >From: Luke -Jr >Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 2:24 PM > >On Wednesday 24 January 2007 14:01, Jared wrote: >> > Eh... if DSL is so small, why does it need to be compressed to fit >> > on a CD? >> >> Because the CD fits in your wallet. It's a 50MB business-card CD. > >Ah, makes sense. ;) >But what would be cooler is a wallet-CD uncompressed that >just boots to a NX terminal or recovery cmd prompt... http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/wiki/index.php/Frequently_Asked_Questions# How_can_I_have_a_VNC_server_start_automatically_at_boot.3F you can do something similar with the nxclient in the MyDSL repo.

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This is on topic as it affects hardware being ABLE to run Linux at all.
by Oren Beck 26 Jan '07

26 Jan '07

Read this all the way thru and read the Vista report before even considering a response. Flame me for this on anything other than provable errors of FACT and they win.Facts Vs FUD is how we will win this. Earlier tonight I saw an evil usually reserved for pulp horror or similar fantasies That report on Vista as being ":suicide" for MS. I should have read it sooner. This time the precedents seem to endanger ownership as being full control of YOUR property by YOU. And if you think me deranged? The truth is scarier. Take a look at what I fear may be much worse than described if it comes true. http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html The so-called "content protection" schemes that are being demanded of hardware producers seem potentially able to render Linux unusable on newer hardware. The concept that hardware will obey it's owner is under total refutation in the eyes of MS and the "content industry" Think RIAA, MPAA,their foreign counterparts..All in an evil pact. The stakes are nothing less than their desire to make ownership as control of our hardware in THEIR hands and NOT ours any longer. Such hardware will ignore us to their profit. Want to bet our freedom to own computers that obey us and not them on their honor? I propose that before this insanity goes any farther we all place our signatures and voices in opposition to it.I wonder if perhaps a month or several of boycott would work? Our signatures on purchase orders and credit cards only to companies that say NO to this insanity. Our voices carrying testimony against the theft of full ownership attempted by MS and the "content industry" . Consider a May, June , July with even a 50% drop in sales by hardware and content companies not renouncing the evil pacts? And a 50% increase for those that DO renounce! We are the ones who direct more IT budget than we give ourselves credit for. We may actually be able to replicate Atlas Shrugging. OR close enough to alter the future. "Where do you want to go today that they will let you go to?"

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WOSWJU
by James R. Sissel 25 Jan '07

25 Jan '07

Interesting, how to start a long running, controversial subject. I want to try this. So I ask: "What OS would Jesus use?"

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FW: Your Daily Dilbert
by Jeremy Fowler 25 Jan '07

25 Jan '07

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Re: from the libertarian newspaper
by Jared 25 Jan '07

25 Jan '07

>> I have been a socialist. I have been a libertarian. I have >> been an anarchist. And not just from the armchair. I have been >> arrested as an anarchist protesting the government. > > I think a funny scene in a political comedy -- sort of like the scene in > Woody Allen's Zelig where Zelig tries to play cello in a marching band -- > would be someone bringing an armchair with them to a rally or protest > event, getting arrested along with their armchair, seeing the character > in a jail cell with his armchair with him. That would be funny, > would it not? Yes, and a powerful parable as well. Perhaps he could receive a more severe sentence than the flag burners. And in other news, > The master shook his head, and said "No shoes will let me outrun a lion. > Fortunately, I don't need to do that. I only have to run faster than the > slowest of my companions." With this, the students were enlightened. Some teachers give the running shoes to the slowest student, and provide a whole nuther kind of enlightenment. And now for something completly on topic: >> Linux *is* centralized, in a hiearchy even. Anti-"IP" is not >> anti-property, but rather anti-usury. Socialism is by definition >> statist. > > I was with you on your comments (and strangely even agreed with them) > until I got to "anti-usury." I am against "intellectual property" as > defined by software patents, but I can't make the connection to usury. Usury. The well-known "Microsoft Tax." Made sense to me. -Jared

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