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RE: Good Starter Language? (was Re: REALBasic and OpenAL)
by Leonard, Phil 01 Apr '05

01 Apr '05

>> >How many people are programming in APL today? >> APL !! I thought I was the only one left that ever used that. I started >> with APL, APL\360 actually on an IBM 360/40. Those were the days. > >Selectric terminal on a what, 36 baud accoustic-coupled modem (we upgraded to >a hardwired one later in the year), dialed into the -experimental- Time >Sharing system in Red Hook, NY. This was the Shawnee Mission School District's 360/40. Selectric 2741 terminals ran at 134.5 baud, acoustic-coupled modem in our case. Now you know why that weird speed existed. I still have my original APL\360 book.

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RE: Good Starter Language? (was Re: REALBasic and OpenAL)
by Leo Mauler 01 Apr '05

01 Apr '05

Well, I should think its obvious: learn how to program. There's not much else BASIC is good for. :) --- Garrett Goebel <garrett(a)scriptpro.com> wrote: > Leo Mauler wrote: > > > > If not BASIC, then what would be the programming > > language of choice for the beginner? > > That's like asking for a good tool without telling > us how you intend to use > it... > > What fun exciting cool thing does the beginner want > to do? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/

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Re: Gmail storage increase
by Jack 01 Apr '05

01 Apr '05

--- Brian Kelsay wrote: > http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=582&e=1&u=/nm/20050401/wr_n… > > www.gmail.com starts off w/ an April Fool's joke, > but links to the new storage limit increase and > available functions story. > It has to be said. So I'll say it. "No one will ever need more than 1 GB of storage space for email." - Brian Densmore __________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger Show us what our next emoticon should look like. Join the fun. http://www.advision.webevents.yahoo.com/emoticontest

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Re: Gmail storage increase
by Jack 01 Apr '05

01 Apr '05

--- djgoku <djgoku(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Doesn't look that way... only 3/4 of the 2000MB. You > are currently > using 37 MB (3%) of your 1458 MB. HA! I have 1463 MB. Nyeah, nyeah. ;'~ FYI - I have somehow accumulated 50 gmail invites. Any takers? Scratch that, now I have 1467! Whoo Hoo, now I can email myself the History of the World on video! Brian D. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs

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Gmail storage increase
by Brian Kelsay 01 Apr '05

01 Apr '05

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=582&e=1&u=/nm/20050401/wr_n… www.gmail.com starts off w/ an April Fool's joke, but links to the new storage limit increase and available functions story. Brian Kelsay

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Re: Not an April Fool
by Brian Kelsay 01 Apr '05

01 Apr '05

On this note, how has the SPAM blocking been for other Gmail users out there? I have an account and have shifted some legitimate mail over there. I have hesitated in shifting any online registrations over there though. Right now, I still use my old Hotmail acct as a "spam catcher". Anything I have to give an email address for where I think I may get spam, I allow MS to take the spam. I was a HoTMaiL user before the evil empire bought them, but the ads and crap from msn.com has gotten bad and slowed the hotmail.com to a near crawl. It may be time to drop them completely. I also have a yahoo.com and inbox.net account, and have tried many other free webmails over the years. I've probably tried all the big names that have come out. Yahoo is currently my primary email and has been working fine, but it is sometimes slow. Brian Kelsay >>> Jonathan Hutchins <hutchins(a)tarcanfel.org> 04/01/05 10:17AM >>> Wow - this is the first time I've seen a statistic like this in the year or so I've been paying attention: Number of spams : 302 ( 46.04%) Number of clean messages: 354 ( 53.96%) That's more REAL mail than SPAM!

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RE: Good Starter Language? (was Re: REALBasic and OpenAL)
by Leonard, Phil 01 Apr '05

01 Apr '05

>My first programming language was APL. It's an >amazing application of symbolic logic that can reduce a three-page BASIC >program to three lines of code (split into three lines mostly for >readability). Entire multi-million-dollar, multi-story computing centers >were built around the hardware that was specially designed to run it (IBM's >360/370 series). One of the first portable comuters was built to run it. > >How many people are programming in APL today? APL !! I thought I was the only one left that ever used that. I started with APL, APL\360 actually on an IBM 360/40. Those were the days.

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Not an April Fool
by Jonathan Hutchins 01 Apr '05

01 Apr '05

Wow - this is the first time I've seen a statistic like this in the year or so I've been paying attention: Number of spams : 302 ( 46.04%) Number of clean messages: 354 ( 53.96%) That's more REAL mail than SPAM!

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RE: Good Starter Language? (was Re: REALBasic and OpenAL)
by Jeremy Fowler 01 Apr '05

01 Apr '05

> I liked Pascal but what do you do with it? Measure pressure... What the #$@% do you think you do with it!?! Delphi 2005 kicks major ass. Nuff said. > Perl seems to be very easy to learn and yet extremely > powerful and can get very complex. But it has just > never really taken off as a mainstream language. > However, I've found a few applications that I would't > write in anything else. Perl? Might as well be writing code in Mandarin Chinese. The multitude of symbols and one character keywords sacrifices legibility for less typing. Perl is not for the faint of heart or the beginner. I for one hate having to keep a whole library of O'Reilly books by my side while I code. A good language should be intuitive and not require a ton of syntax memorization. Python is better, but not by much. > I don't really like Java but it's all the rage today. > And how many times have we all heard that the new > language was going to replace all the other languages? > Sure, it's good for a lot of things but I really > don't think I'd recommend it as a beginner language > any more that I'd make 6-year-olds use a calculator to > learn 1+1=2. I have no use for Java. > For a language that is good and introduces you to a > lot of topics and is easy to start learning and can > get very complex later as you grow you really can't > beat C or C++. C/C++/C# can get a little involved for the beginner. However, it has proven the test of time, and I have to admit I broke my cherry with C. ;-) > BASIC, in all of it's forms, I've found really stinks > IMHO. agreed.

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RE: Good Starter Language? (was Re: REALBasic and OpenAL)
by Garrett Goebel 01 Apr '05

01 Apr '05

How about starting out with understanding the machine? Write Great Code: Understanding the Machine http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1593270038/ product description: > If you've asked someone the secret to writing efficient, > well-written software, the answer that you've probably > gotten is "learn assembly language programming." By > learning assembly language programming, you learn how the > machine really operates and that knowledge will help you > write better high-level language code. A dirty little > secret assembly language programmers rarely admit to, > however, is that what you really need to learn is machine > organization, not assembly language programming. Write > Great Code Vol I, the first in a series from assembly > language expert Randall Hyde, dives right into machine > organization without the extra overhead of learning assembly > language programming at the same time. And since Write Great > Code Vol I concentrates on the machine organization, not > assembly language, the reader will learn in greater depth > those subjects that are language-independent and of concern > to a high level language programmer. Write Great Code Vol I > will help programmers make wiser choices with respect to > programming statements and data types when writing software, > no matter which language they use. except from a review: > This is a most interesting book. It's positioned kind of > halfway between the book on a programming language and the > data book for the CPU. It contains a lot of information > that the computer science classes don't bother to include. > On the whole it is rather machine independent (hard to do > in today's world where the Pentium class machines are so > prevalent), so if you are working on a Power PC or an ARM > chip the material here would still have value. -- Garrett Goebel IS Development Specialist ScriptPro Direct: 913.403.5261 5828 Reeds Road Main: 913.384.1008 Mission, KS 66202 Fax: 913.384.2180 www.scriptpro.com garrett(a)scriptpro.com

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