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RE: Good Starter Language? (was Re: REALBasic and OpenAL)
by Jeremy Fowler 01 Apr '05

01 Apr '05

assembler... ;-) Learn from the inside out! Seriously though, I would say Delphi and/or Kylix. -----Original Message----- From: kclug-bounces(a)kclug.org [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Leo Mauler Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 1:40 PM To: D. Hageman; Kclug Subject: Good Starter Language? (was Re: REALBasic and OpenAL) If not BASIC, then what would be the programming language of choice for the beginner? Ideas accepted from all. --- "D. Hageman" <dhageman(a)dracken.com> wrote: > > I know a couple of weeks ago I posted a message > recommended a person not learn REALBasic for > their first language. I still believe in this > very much, but we do apparently have a couple > of people on this list that work with REALBasic. . And I always thought: the very simplest words Must be enough. When I say what things are like Everyone's heart must be torn to shreds. That you'll go down if you don't stand up for yourself Surely you see that. -- Bertolt Brecht __________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger Show us what our next emoticon should look like. Join the fun. http://www.advision.webevents.yahoo.com/emoticontest _______________________________________________ Kclug mailing list Kclug(a)kclug.org http://kclug.org/mailman/listinfo/kclug

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RE: Good Starter Language? (was Re: REALBasic and OpenAL)
by Jeremy Fowler 31 Mar '05

31 Mar '05

> whatever happened to Logo, with it's turtle that draws lines like an > etch-a-sketch? > > graphics are fun to work with as a beginner, just to enjoy the thrill > of bossing your > machine around. Beginners aren't really concerned with > practical problems like > log parsing or data validation. Carnage Heart was one of the best older playstation games I had ever played. In it you built custom Mech robots with different body types, weapons, and CPUs. The really cool part was the ability to customize the A.I. by combining together various commands or chips on this grid system. You would build and program a mech warrior (called an OKE in the game) and then throw him into a battle to see how he does. Programming was an essential part of the game and a great introduction to Boolean logic and algorithms. This game is in a class of its own and I have yet to see its equal - and desperately would like to.

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RE: Good Starter Language? (was Re: REALBasic and OpenAL)
by James Sissel 31 Mar '05

31 Mar '05

I liked Pascal but what do you do with it? Perl seems to be very easy to learn and yet extremely powerful and can get very complex. But it has just never really taken off as a mainstream language. However, I've found a few applications that I would't write in anything else. I don't really like Java but it's all the rage today. And how many times have we all heard that the new language was going to replace all the other languages? Sure, it's good for a lot of things but I really don't think I'd recommend it as a beginner language any more that I'd make 6-year-olds use a calculator to learn 1+1=2. For a language that is good and introduces you to a lot of topics and is easy to start learning and can get very complex later as you grow you really can't beat C or C++. BASIC, in all of it's forms, I've found really stinks IMHO. --- Jeremy Fowler <JFowler(a)westrope.com> wrote: > assembler... ;-) Learn from the inside out! > > Seriously though, I would say Delphi and/or Kylix. > > > Of Leo Mauler > Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 1:40 PM > To: D. Hageman; Kclug > Subject: Good Starter Language? (was Re: REALBasic > and OpenAL) > > If not BASIC, then what would be the programming > language of choice for the beginner? > > Ideas accepted from all. > > --- "D. Hageman" <dhageman(a)dracken.com> wrote: > > > > I know a couple of weeks ago I posted a message > > recommended a person not learn REALBasic for > > their first language. I still believe in this > > very much, but we do apparently have a couple > > of people on this list that work with REALBasic.

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RE: Good Starter Language? (was Re: REALBasic and OpenAL)
by Garrett Goebel 31 Mar '05

31 Mar '05

Leo Mauler wrote: > > If not BASIC, then what would be the programming language > of choice for the beginner? That's like asking for a good tool without telling us how you intend to use it... What fun exciting cool thing does the beginner want to do? -- Garrett Goebel IS Development Specialist ScriptPro Direct: 913.403.5261 5828 Reeds Road Main: 913.384.1008 Mission, KS 66202 Fax: 913.384.2180 www.scriptpro.com garrett at scriptpro dot com

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Good Starter Language? (was Re: REALBasic and OpenAL)
by Brian Kelsay 31 Mar '05

31 Mar '05

Spanish. ;-) Brian Kelsay >>> Leo Mauler <webgiant(a)yahoo.com> 03/31/05 01:39PM >>> If not BASIC, then what would be the programming language of choice for the beginner? Ideas accepted from all.

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Cyrus/Postfix
by Jonathan Hutchins 31 Mar '05

31 Mar '05

For some reason one of my Gentoo servers has decidedthat Postfix should deliver mail to the local maildirs instead of to the Cyrus imap server. I have no idea why this change happened - I know I killed somethign by accidentally removing MySQL (even though it wasn't running), and aparantly that caused Postfix to be braindead. (?) Anyway, if someone knows off-hand where the magic switch is, I'd appreciate it, otherwise I won't be able to dig into the configuration files to find and fix it until tomorrow. (Fortunately it's not overly critical, besides my own mail it only handles faxes, most of which are junk.)

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ah, Knoppix
by Brian Kelsay 31 Mar '05

31 Mar '05

http://www.frozentech.com/content/livecd.php Take a look at the list and see what we can reap from what Knoppix has sown. (Yes, I know BBC and Demo were there first, but Knoppix caused the explosion.) Brian Kelsay

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Re: OT: There goes the Solar neighborhood...literally
by Jack 31 Mar '05

31 Mar '05

--- David Nicol <davidnicol(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 17:56:35 -0600, Oren Beck > <oren_beck(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > ... > > > Has anyone else read Gerard O'Neil's "The High > Frontier" > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/189652267X/tipjartransactioA/ I'll have to check it out. > > My reccomendation for an ion rocket is to use iron. > Choose a suitable > iron asteroid, > set up camp in it, accelerate your iron ions and > fling them out one > way, save enough > mass to decelerate after you get wherever you're > going, but the > question of where > the energy to do all the ion accelerating comes from > is still up in the air. Well, one way would be to use a nuclear fission reactor. Alternatively, a more conventional power plant should work. The main problem is the amount of fuel needed to power everything. Brian D. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/

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Re: Date Dunce
by Uncle Jim 30 Mar '05

30 Mar '05

Hi, On Tue, Mar 29, 2005 at 05:09:29PM -0600, Oren Beck wrote: > To really take this as a point of constructive discourse could anyone > here suggest > mail software that uses something other than local system time? I understand weird system configurations because I often do it myself. But I can't conceive the convoluted configuration you must have where accurate local system time is a bad thing and just the mail software should get time from somewhere else. Understanding your setup sounds like a good "computer game" so please tell me what you have. -- Jim

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Re: Dune Parody skit. Was RE: whitewigs
by Brian Kelsay 30 Mar '05

30 Mar '05

I'd say at the very least that the lines I left below are part of your problem. See the -800? That puts you in the wrong time zone. Whether that is due to your settings w/ hotmail from zip or user location in prefs. or due to settings in Thunderbird if you are using it to connect to hotmail as a relay agent, we don't know. Brian Kelsay >>> "Oren Beck" <oren_beck(a)hotmail.com> 03/22/05 08:01PM >>> Really? Or shall we consider that no one posting to a Lug list needs NTP! A dedicated army of Open Source time observers will happily inform you of an out of sync condition. <big snip> >Received: from kclug.org ([139.146.133.42]) by mc11-f36.hotmail.com with >Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Tue, 22 Mar 2005 10:33:09 -0800

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